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 Post subject: Re: Jeff Samardzija
PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 9:02 am 
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They had a great season, beat the Braves in the NLDS .


a memorable game 7 in that one


Actually, it was a 5 game series. but it was memorable. Kerry Wood besting Mike Hampton in a great finale.

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 Post subject: Re: Jeff Samardzija
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rogers park bryan wrote:
I dont care that much about this. I think the day games make a difference.

If others disagree, well hell, this is America and that's terrific!!!


The discussion morphed.

All I did was quote a long time Cub fan and current Cub player who, in a rare move for the organization, has placed the responsiblity of winning and losing games on the players

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 Post subject: Re: Jeff Samardzija
PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 9:05 am 
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Elmhurst Steve wrote:
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"The roster wins games; the stadium doesn't win games."


But a new stadium that includes signage and can bring in additional revenue, can help build a better roster, as the team would have more money to spend. Spending a bunch of money is no guarantee of success. But being a low payroll team is almost a guarantee that a team will not contend. There are exceptions, but most playoff teams are amongst the higher spending teams. When the team is ready to contend and they want to add the last pieces needed, they need for the streams of revenue to be there.


When was the last time the Cubs were a low payroll team.

This whole Ricketts argument is a total slight of hand. A team can win and make money with the salary of the last few years.

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 Post subject: Re: Jeff Samardzija
PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 9:06 am 
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So why are the Cubs so popular, exactly? It certainly isn't the winning. So it must be the everything else. Why do they want to change the everything else part?

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 Post subject: Re: Jeff Samardzija
PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 9:09 am 
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I think, and maybe my Cubs fan rose colored glasses, that no one in the front office truly believes that the stadium is more important than the talent. Obviously greater revenue for any team can't hurt and Rickett's comments were just attempting to get the average Cubs fan on their side to pressure a deal through as quick as possible. The guaranteeing of a World Series is silly, but that's been done before by owners, players etc in all sports so there's really no reason to read anything into that.

I agree with RPB that the day games are more detrimental than helpful.

Also agree than ES should stop speaking.

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 Post subject: Re: Jeff Samardzija
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I disagree.

I think ES should just stop breathing.

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 Post subject: Re: Jeff Samardzija
PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 9:17 am 
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good dolphin wrote:
Elmhurst Steve wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
"The roster wins games; the stadium doesn't win games."


But a new stadium that includes signage and can bring in additional revenue, can help build a better roster, as the team would have more money to spend. Spending a bunch of money is no guarantee of success. But being a low payroll team is almost a guarantee that a team will not contend. There are exceptions, but most playoff teams are amongst the higher spending teams. When the team is ready to contend and they want to add the last pieces needed, they need for the streams of revenue to be there.


When was the last time the Cubs were a low payroll team.

This whole Ricketts argument is a total slight of hand. A team can win and make money with the salary of the last few years.


The last couple years (since losing Lee and Ramirez and trading Zambrano and having his contract expire) they have become a low payroll team. Before that, in the early 80's they had a low payroll. In the 90's the payroll was not real high. Sosa and Grace made some coin, but overall it was not a high payroll. It wasn't until the Trib decided to try to win before selling the team, that the payroll went up considerably. Thats when they traded for Lee, and Ramirez, as well as Garciaparra and then Soriano. Now it's back to where it was before that. Soriano is the big bucks guy, much as Sosa was, with few others making much.

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 Post subject: Re: Jeff Samardzija
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Elmhurst Steve wrote:
There was no total meltdown in 2003. They had a great season, beat the Braves in the NLDS and went 7 games in the NLCS against the eventual World Serie winners (Marlins). There was an incident with a fan that kept Moises Alou from having a chance at a pop fly down the left field line, that was followed by a missed ground ball by the SS (Gonzalez) and the Marlins took advantage. A meltdown is more like what the White Sox did last season down the stretch.
This reads like a parody of Elmhurst Steve. Seriously, I couldn't write a mocking post any better.

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 Post subject: Re: Jeff Samardzija
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Elmhurst Steve wrote:
There was no total meltdown in 2003. They had a great season, beat the Braves in the NLDS and went 7 games in the NLCS against the eventual World Serie winners (Marlins). There was an incident with a fan that kept Moises Alou from having a chance at a pop fly down the left field line, that was followed by a missed ground ball by the SS (Gonzalez) and the Marlins took advantage. A meltdown is more like what the White Sox did last season down the stretch.
This reads like a parody of Elmhurst Steve. Seriously, I couldn't write a mocking post any better.


Hey, you want to remember it as a horriffic year, go ahead. Focus on all the unfortunate things that happened in games 6&7 of the NLCS. I would rather look back fondly on a great season, a playoff series victory and an NLCS that had some great highlights but just ended in an unfortunate way.

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 Post subject: Re: Jeff Samardzija
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Elmhurst Steve wrote:
There was no total meltdown in 2003. They had a great season, beat the Braves in the NLDS and went 7 games in the NLCS against the eventual World Serie winners (Marlins). There was an incident with a fan that kept Moises Alou from having a chance at a pop fly down the left field line, that was followed by a missed ground ball by the SS (Gonzalez) and the Marlins took advantage. A meltdown is more like what the White Sox did last season down the stretch.
This reads like a parody of Elmhurst Steve. Seriously, I couldn't write a mocking post any better.


It's like if SHARK decided to do an ES parody.

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 Post subject: Re: Jeff Samardzija
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Elmhurst Steve wrote:
Hey, you want to remember it as a horriffic year, go ahead. Focus on all the unfortunate things that happened in games 6&7 of the NLCS. I would rather look back fondly on a great season, a playoff series victory and an NLCS that had some great highlights but just ended in an unfortunate way.
I don't really know why this needs to be pointed out, but the fact that it was a great season up until that point is why it is a meltdown.

I guess Chernobyl wasn't a meltdown either. It worked great but just ended in an unfortunate way!

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