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 Post subject: Re: The Cubs!
PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2015 5:00 pm 
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Just need to get in and they have just as good of shot as they did in 07 or 08.




Better shot-


1 . better players
2. Better manager
3. Better pitching coach .

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That's precious...you put together a coherent thought.

Who ghost wrote that one for you, big guy?




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 Post subject: Re: The Cubs!
PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2015 5:01 pm 
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Fastball :lol:


Listen dickhead , I couldn't pick you or Seacrest out of a lineup . I'm going on assumption here ..both Northwest suburban turds . prolly both have fat ass old ladies ..hate your jobs? Seek "friendship" via the internet . Both Right wing lunatics ?



You are O-for the afternoon but keep trying Chip.

Don't give up now.

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 Post subject: Re: The Cubs!
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Yeah buddy ! Keep dropping dough into your pedophilia worship house . You fake ass Christian turd

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 Post subject: Re: The Cubs!
PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2015 5:08 pm 
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312player wrote:
Yeah buddy ! Keep dropping dough into your pedophilia worship house . You fake ass Christian turd



Maybe you should do what chas did earlier today and just back away from the keyboard. I understand you being upset about IMU picking on you, but don't shoot me for pointing it out.

And Dallas Green did have "The Plan" 25 years before the current one.

Or you could just keep hurling insults with no basis in reality.

It's your choice Chip.

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 Post subject: Re: The Cubs!
PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2015 5:16 pm 
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I have zero interest in a typing war with anyone, I think you are naive if you think IMU or anyone on the net could sway my day ..I bet I could stroll into your Church n sell magic beans to you n the rest of your sheeple in that pedophillia palace. You ain't smart or clever ..you are just another clown on a message board.

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 Post subject: Re: The Cubs!
PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2015 5:23 pm 
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I have zero interest in a typing war with anyone, I think you are naive if you think IMU or anyone on the net could sway my day ..I bet I could stroll into your Church n sell magic beans to you n the rest of your sheeple in that pedophillia palace. You ain't smart or clever ..you are just another clown on a message board.



You have spent the last hour in a typing war with three posters. Are you sure you know what "zero" means"?

You started a thread specifically to insult IMU. Are you sure you know what sway means?

I'm sure you couldn't sell magic beans at my church.

I may be a clown on a message board , but why then would you invest your time in attacking me after I posted something?

I'll let you get back to your war with reality. Good luck Chip.

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 Post subject: Re: The Cubs!
PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2015 5:55 pm 
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sjboyd0137 wrote:
That's precious...you put together a coherent thought.

Who ghost wrote that one for you, big guy?




Bigfan

Not enough capitalization in the wrong places...and proper punctuation.

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 Post subject: Re: The Cubs!
PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 11:02 am 
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Why are so many Cubs fans convinced that the team will be dominant "for years to come?"

Does anyone remember 1989?

no Cubs fan is a bigger skeptic than me. But to achieve 1989, they traded Palmero and Moyer for Williams. They did the opposite of what the Cubs have done.

But they DID have a lot of young talent at that point.

they were "relatively" young team. Compare the two teams and you see just how young this Cubs team is. And trading core young players is what I'm specifically talking about.


In 1989, Maddux, Grace, Berryhill, Girardi, Walton, Smith and Williams were all young and/or inexperienced players. That's a pretty significant youth movement.

I'm not sure what you're saying about Moyer. It took him a while to develop. He wouldn't have been a major asset in 1990, 91, or 92. I don't think people saw him as a "core" player at the time.

And didn't the Cubs trade Palmeiro because they had to choose between him and Grace? The team will have to make similar decisions in the upcoming years. I would also add that Palmeiro's history with PEDs complicates this discussion.

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 Post subject: Re: The Cubs!
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Hopefully with all the RevenueStreams™ the Cubs cried for they won't let an aspiring HoFer walk for nothing.


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Hopefully with all the RevenueStreams™ the Cubs cried for they won't let an aspiring HoFer walk for nothing.

They should get something decent back for Castro.

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 Post subject: Re: The Cubs!
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no Cubs fan is a bigger skeptic than me. But to achieve 1989, they traded Palmero and Moyer for Williams. They did the opposite of what the Cubs have done.

But they DID have a lot of young talent at that point.

they were "relatively" young team. Compare the two teams and you see just how young this Cubs team is. And trading core young players is what I'm specifically talking about.


In 1989, Maddux, Grace, Berryhill, Girardi, Walton, Smith and Williams were all young and/or inexperienced players. That's a pretty significant youth movement.

I'm not sure what you're saying about Moyer. It took him a while to develop. He wouldn't have been a major asset in 1990, 91, or 92. I don't think people saw him as a "core" player at the time.

And didn't the Cubs trade Palmeiro because they had to choose between him and Grace? The team will have to make similar decisions in the upcoming years. I would also add that Palmeiro's history with PEDs complicates this discussion.


he was a major asset in '88. 12 wins and tenth in strikeouts. He was a regarded, if not highly regarded prospect. Palmeiro would have been in left and clearly would have been a better asset than Dwight Smith. Would the Cubs have found a competent closer within their own ranks? My memory is that Lancaster could have done it.

Planning for flameouts is part of the game. Walton going downhill so fast certainly had an impact but the 1990 season was done in specifically by injuries to pitchers. Rick was injured the year before and all five starters spent some time on the DL. The difference is, the best under 26 year old was Grace. Dunston was the second best. Smith was the third best and Walton was fourth. Compare that to Rizzo, Bryant, Russell and Schwarber. If any of those fails, you have 2015 Soler and 1989 Girardi up next. After that, the Cubs cabinet was pretty bare (just comparing offensive players-pitching may be the Achilles heel of this team for years to come). The 2015 Cubs have Castro and La Stella, both of whom are 26 and under. There just seems to be more depth. Green/Frey built the right way...they just made some disastrous trades and acquisitions (Dave Smith, anyone?). I'm still skeptical but another year of success and you would have to buy in to this regime.

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 Post subject: Re: The Cubs!
PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 2:53 pm 
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he was a major asset in '88. 12 wins and tenth in strikeouts. He was a regarded, if not highly regarded prospect. Palmeiro would have been in left and clearly would have been a better asset than Dwight Smith. Would the Cubs have found a competent closer within their own ranks? My memory is that Lancaster could have done it.

Planning for flameouts is part of the game. Walton going downhill so fast certainly had an impact but the 1990 season was done in specifically by injuries to pitchers. Rick was injured the year before and all five starters spent some time on the DL. The difference is, the best under 26 year old was Grace. Dunston was the second best. Smith was the third best and Walton was fourth. Compare that to Rizzo, Bryant, Russell and Schwarber. If any of those fails, you have 2015 Soler and 1989 Girardi up next. After that, the Cubs cabinet was pretty bare (just comparing offensive players-pitching may be the Achilles heel of this team for years to come). The 2015 Cubs have Castro and La Stella, both of whom are 26 and under. There just seems to be more depth. Green/Frey built the right way...they just made some disastrous trades and acquisitions (Dave Smith, anyone?). I'm still skeptical but another year of success and you would have to buy in to this regime.


Basically all you're saying is that you believe the Cubs have a lot of young talent. That's what people thought in '89, too. Time will tell.

For the record, Moyer won 12 games in '87 (not '88), when his ERA was a catastrophic 5.10. And I don't think too many people believe Palmeiro could've played the outfield--that's why he was a career 1B/DH.

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 Post subject: Re: The Cubs!
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I have zero interest in a typing war with anyone, I think you are naive if you think IMU or anyone on the net could sway my day ..I bet I could stroll into your Church n sell magic beans to you n the rest of your sheeple in that pedophillia palace. You ain't smart or clever ..you are just another clown on a message board.

:lol:

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 Post subject: Re: The Cubs!
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I have zero interest in a typing war with anyone, I think you are naive if you think IMU or anyone on the net could sway my day ..I bet I could stroll into your Church n sell magic beans to you n the rest of your sheeple in that pedophillia palace. You ain't smart or clever ..you are just another clown on a message board.

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