Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
I'll make this clear: I don't think Nas is coming for anyone, nor encouraging others to do so. My cursory reading about him leaves me with the impression that he likes to be provocative, and his "beheading" paintings certainly are that, especially because I get the feeling he wanted people to take the paintings literally at first blush, then trust that buzzword-laden defenses of his work would suffice to make those people who did exactly what he intended seem dumb and uncultured. They are also just art. However, art is not immune from critique nor criticism.
That's art. It's supposed to be provocative.
The Yankee Pedlar isn't provocative, does that mean it isn't art?
Regardless, the provocative nature of the paintings doesn't mean that the displeasure at depicting racial violence, and subtly hinting at a larger clashing of races given the story of the source material, is somehow "dumb" as you painted it or "wrong" as did Nas. Especially when the artist says "kill whitey" informed the piece(s).
I didn't say it was dumb. I said the way Carlson tried to position the paintings was race baiting. Which of course it was and much of the Fox audience will eat it up. The segment was designed as such.
Also, you're purposely taking Nas's "kill whitey" comment out of context. Regardless, Nas is as entitled to be a bigot as anyone, if in fact he is. The point of the segment, as you well understand, was to smear Obama as a "racist" through his portrait artist.
I don't know what the segment was about, I didn't see it. 8 had presumed it was about another miscalculation by Obama in his series of attempts to stay woke, coinciding with his pardoning of a violent terrorist, etc.
You made this about misunderstanding Nas's "oeuvre", not about whether Obama commissioning his official portrait from a possible bigot or advocate of violent racism makes Obama an advocate of same by proxy. This is a complete shifting of the goalposts. But now that Nas's "oeuvre" has been discussed a little deeper regarding the beheading paintings, you want to talk about how absurd it is to call Obama a racist because the artist of his portrait might be. And it is absurd, it's just not what you originally wanted to talk about.
It hasn't been discussed deeper. You came at it exactly the way Carlson did.
This is how you described Carson's discussion:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
They were obviously unfamiliar with Nas's oeuvre and seemed ignorant to the fact that the paintings were based on classic pieces.
So if I discussed the story behind the original painting on which Nas's were based, how could I possibly "come at it the exact same way Tucker did" when you said specifically that Tucker was unaware of the classical basis for Nas's works?
You began this by saying that Tucker and Co. fundamentally misunderstood Nas's work, especially as it pertains to the beheadings portraits—which has literally nothing to do with Obama...
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
I saw dumbfuck Tucker and Mark Steyn- who I usually get a kick out of- completely misunderstand Nas's work
...and now want to discuss how silly it is to say Obama is a racist for hiring Nas.
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
The point of the segment, as you well understand, was to smear Obama as a "racist" through his portrait artist.
See the disconnect?
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Maybe you don't notice it, but you're doing to Kehinde Nas (although not directly) exactly the thing that upsets you so much when Regular Reader does it to you.
Such as?
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
And I don't know why you keep putting "oeuvre" in quotes. if you're trying to make some point that a black artist's art might be about his personal experiences in America, I would suggest he wouldn't be much of an artist if they weren't.
Because I wanted to be seen as directly quoting you, because you framed the discussion originally as a lack of understanding of Nas's artwork, then changed it up to want to discuss labeling Obama as a racist by proxy for hiring Nas.
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