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When did celebrities start giving political endorsements?


When Ohio matters


I don't care that he did, but it seems unfair that athletes are expected to make political statements/endorsements. Sucked that people were attacking Lebron for saying that he would stand for the anthem.



I have no issue with LeBron. Unlike most athletes he is willing to speak out at the peak of his career. It's one of the reasons I am a fan. I agree with him when it comes to the anthem anyway.

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Superstitious Clinton Refusing To Change Her Beliefs Following Hot Streak In Polls


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VOL 52 ISSUE 39 · Politics · Politicians · Hillary Clinton · Election 2016
NEW YORK—Telling staff members she was “on a roll” and didn’t want to “jinx it,” a superstitious Hillary Clinton reportedly stated Monday that as long as her ongoing hot streak in the polls continues, she’s not going to change a single one of her beliefs. “I’ve been on fire for the past week, so I’m just going to stick with all the current political convictions I’ve got right now and see how far this takes me,” said the Democratic presidential nominee, noting that when a platform of a $12-an-hour minimum wage, opposition to the Trans-Pacific Partnership, and ending mass incarceration is paying off in the polls, you don’t “tempt fate” by switching up even one of your principles. “Maybe I’ll get back to changing my views again if my luck runs out and Trump regains an edge in swing states, but until then, you better get used to me holding the same firm stances against the Keystone XL pipeline and for tight federal gun control measures.” As of press time, a new poll out of Nevada had reportedly prompted Clinton to consider slipping into her lucky old position on illegal immigration.

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Watching this Hillary speech and it's the best I've seen. She looks energized and she sounds passionate and authentic. Almost Biden like.

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Watching this Hillary speech and it's the best I've seen. She looks energized and she sounds passionate and authentic. Almost Biden like.

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Watching this Hillary speech and it's the best I've seen. She looks energized and she sounds passionate and authentic. Almost Biden like.


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http://www.politicususa.com/2016/10/02/ ... evils.html

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Hillary Clinton is not the lesser of two evils. She has never been. When one examines the facts, there is no contest between Clinton and Trump. Donald Trump has a real rap sheet that should disqualify him from being president. Hillary Clinton’s “crimes” are conspiracy theories that have been cooked up by the conservative media’s anti-Clinton conspiracy cottage industry that has spent decades as a robust source of profit for conservative authors and media.

The idea that Hillary Clinton is the lesser of two evils is a lazy media narrative that was created by corporate mainstream talking heads only interested in false equivalence to keep ratings and interest up during an election. It would take too much effort for the media to discuss the fact that Clinton’s approval ratings are a byproduct of decades of Republican attacks on her last name combined with the extreme polarization of the electorate.

2016 isn’t a lesser of two evils election. It is a base election that may turn into a rout because Republicans made the foolish decision to nominate a candidate with a closet full of evils to run against the most competent and qualified candidate to a major party’s nomination in the modern era of American politics.


http://www.caller.com/opinion/editorial ... 61761.html

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Voting for Trump is a form of nihilism that the next president, no matter whom, will need to explore, understand and seek to remedy. The new president and we as a nation would benefit from understanding why, for example, distressed taxpayers who live paycheck-to-paycheck and whose American Dream has been dashed would vote for someone who gained his American Dream through inheritance, exploitation, tax evasion, bankruptcy and the misfortunes of people like themselves — and why they would reject someone who gained her American Dream on merit, married once, hasn't divorced, and knows how to change a diaper.

We perceive in Clinton the capability to bridge the divide — to define rather than exploit our problems and pursue intelligent solutions. Her "basket of deplorables" comment made the task more difficult but it was a rare lapse by an otherwise level-headed servant leader with a history of self-correcting resilience. The former senator's Republican colleagues remember her fondly as a middle-ground-seeking master of the art of deal-making. If there is to be a return to bipartisanship, she is the one to lead it.

The woman who memorably declared that women's rights are human rights and that it takes a village to raise a child is the candidate who has the right priorities and the perceptiveness to make this divided but great country greater.

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Completely agree with all of that Jet.

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http://www.politicususa.com/2016/10/02/texas-newspaper-destroys-myth-hillary-clinton-lesser-evils.html

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Hillary Clinton is not the lesser of two evils. She has never been. When one examines the facts, there is no contest between Clinton and Trump. Donald Trump has a real rap sheet that should disqualify him from being president. Hillary Clinton’s “crimes” are conspiracy theories that have been cooked up by the conservative media’s anti-Clinton conspiracy cottage industry that has spent decades as a robust source of profit for conservative authors and media.

The idea that Hillary Clinton is the lesser of two evils is a lazy media narrative that was created by corporate mainstream talking heads only interested in false equivalence to keep ratings and interest up during an election. It would take too much effort for the media to discuss the fact that Clinton’s approval ratings are a byproduct of decades of Republican attacks on her last name combined with the extreme polarization of the electorate.

2016 isn’t a lesser of two evils election. It is a base election that may turn into a rout because Republicans made the foolish decision to nominate a candidate with a closet full of evils to run against the most competent and qualified candidate to a major party’s nomination in the modern era of American politics.


http://www.caller.com/opinion/editorial ... 61761.html

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Voting for Trump is a form of nihilism that the next president, no matter whom, will need to explore, understand and seek to remedy. The new president and we as a nation would benefit from understanding why, for example, distressed taxpayers who live paycheck-to-paycheck and whose American Dream has been dashed would vote for someone who gained his American Dream through inheritance, exploitation, tax evasion, bankruptcy and the misfortunes of people like themselves — and why they would reject someone who gained her American Dream on merit, married once, hasn't divorced, and knows how to change a diaper.

We perceive in Clinton the capability to bridge the divide — to define rather than exploit our problems and pursue intelligent solutions. Her "basket of deplorables" comment made the task more difficult but it was a rare lapse by an otherwise level-headed servant leader with a history of self-correcting resilience. The former senator's Republican colleagues remember her fondly as a middle-ground-seeking master of the art of deal-making. If there is to be a return to bipartisanship, she is the one to lead it.

The woman who memorably declared that women's rights are human rights and that it takes a village to raise a child is the candidate who has the right priorities and the perceptiveness to make this divided but great country greater.



Well said. There is no way that Hillary Clinton is comparable to Donald Trump as a politician. There has been a new narrative ever since Trump won the nomination too.

Anti-Trump Republicans have spinned it as if the only person that Hillary could have defeated was Trump. Do they forget that Trump cakewalked his way through the Republican field during the promaries? Do people forget how they kept touting the fact that Trump was the perfect person to run against her because it was a "change" election?

This notion that she is such a weak candidate is garbage. She is and has been pretty formidable throughout her career. Trump has no chance if he attempts to debate her on policy. It's not because she hasn't made mistakes because she has. He isn't the guy to exploit them however. They (Republicans) wanted an "outsider" which is nothing more than code for Amateur.

This notion that Democrats aren't necessarily excited about her lacks merit too. She isn't a fresh new face and I don't want her to be either. She is a grizzled veteran that understands how the game is played and knows how to get things done.

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She has the second worst approval rating of any presidential candidate in history. It's demonstrably false to claim she is a strong candidate.

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She has the second worst approval rating of any presidential candidate in history. It's demonstrably false to claim she is a strong candidate.


On paper she is but the Republican machine has spent 20 years accusing her of everything you can think of.

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She has the second worst approval rating of any presidential candidate in history. It's demonstrably false to claim she is a strong candidate.


On paper she is but the Republican machine has spent 20 years accusing her of everything you can think of.

Every candidate in history has been smeared by the opposing party. That's not a refutation, it's an excuse, and a bad one.

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She has the second worst approval rating of any presidential candidate in history. It's demonstrably false to claim she is a strong candidate.


On paper she is but the Republican machine has spent 20 years accusing her of everything you can think of.

Every candidate in history has been smeared by the opposing party. That's not a refutation, it's an excuse, and a bad one.


None have had to deal with it for 20 years.

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She has the second worst approval rating of any presidential candidate in history. It's demonstrably false to claim she is a strong candidate.


On paper she is but the Republican machine has spent 20 years accusing her of everything you can think of.

Every candidate in history has been smeared by the opposing party. That's not a refutation, it's an excuse, and a bad one.


None have had to deal with it for 20 years.

I'm still hearing just an excuse. The excuse doesn't even make sense, because a number of staunch democrats dislike her as well. She's possibly the most dishonest politician in recent memory, unless we are counting Trump as a politician. That's on her. It's not a false smear campaign.

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She has the second worst approval rating of any presidential candidate in history. It's demonstrably false to claim she is a strong candidate.


On paper she is but the Republican machine has spent 20 years accusing her of everything you can think of.

Every candidate in history has been smeared by the opposing party. That's not a refutation, it's an excuse, and a bad one.


None have had to deal with it for 20 years.

I'm still hearing just an excuse. The excuse doesn't even make sense, because a number of staunch democrats dislike her as well. She's possibly the most dishonest politician in recent memory, unless we are counting Trump as a politician. That's on her. It's not a false smear campaign.


MANY fact checkers disagree with you. Hillary is a great candidate and will be a greater president.

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She has the second worst approval rating of any presidential candidate in history. It's demonstrably false to claim she is a strong candidate.


I could check the history of presidential candidates for validity but with the naked eye she'd easily be a better candidate than Mondale, Dukakis, Kerry, and McGovern. This makes your statement "demonstrably false". I haven't even named any Republicans either.

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She has the second worst approval rating of any presidential candidate in history. It's demonstrably false to claim she is a strong candidate.


On paper she is but the Republican machine has spent 20 years accusing her of everything you can think of.

Every candidate in history has been smeared by the opposing party. That's not a refutation, it's an excuse, and a bad one.


None have had to deal with it for 20 years.

I'm still hearing just an excuse. The excuse doesn't even make sense, because a number of staunch democrats dislike her as well. She's possibly the most dishonest politician in recent memory, unless we are counting Trump as a politician. That's on her. It's not a false smear campaign.


One of the biggest misnomers regarding politics pertains to qualities which don't make for successful governing. Disliking a President doesn't mean that she or he will be bad at their job.

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She has the second worst approval rating of any presidential candidate in history. It's demonstrably false to claim she is a strong candidate.


I could check the history of presidential candidates for validity but with the naked eye she'd easily be a better candidate than Mondale, Dukakis, Kerry, and McGovern. This makes your statement "demonstrably false". I haven't even named any Republicans either.

You must not know what demonstrably false means. It's been reported on numerous times in recent weeks that these two candidates have the lowest approval ratings in the history of approval ratings. Your personal opinion is irrelevant to what I posted. Here:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/ame ... -breaking/

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http://www.politicususa.com/2016/10/02/texas-newspaper-destroys-myth-hillary-clinton-lesser-evils.html

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Hillary Clinton is not the lesser of two evils. She has never been. When one examines the facts, there is no contest between Clinton and Trump. Donald Trump has a real rap sheet that should disqualify him from being president. Hillary Clinton’s “crimes” are conspiracy theories that have been cooked up by the conservative media’s anti-Clinton conspiracy cottage industry that has spent decades as a robust source of profit for conservative authors and media.

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http://www.caller.com/opinion/editorial ... 61761.html

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Voting for Trump is a form of nihilism that the next president, no matter whom, will need to explore, understand and seek to remedy. The new president and we as a nation would benefit from understanding why, for example, distressed taxpayers who live paycheck-to-paycheck and whose American Dream has been dashed would vote for someone who gained his American Dream through inheritance, exploitation, tax evasion, bankruptcy and the misfortunes of people like themselves — and why they would reject someone who gained her American Dream on merit, married once, hasn't divorced, and knows how to change a diaper.

We perceive in Clinton the capability to bridge the divide — to define rather than exploit our problems and pursue intelligent solutions. Her "basket of deplorables" comment made the task more difficult but it was a rare lapse by an otherwise level-headed servant leader with a history of self-correcting resilience. The former senator's Republican colleagues remember her fondly as a middle-ground-seeking master of the art of deal-making. If there is to be a return to bipartisanship, she is the one to lead it.

The woman who memorably declared that women's rights are human rights and that it takes a village to raise a child is the candidate who has the right priorities and the perceptiveness to make this divided but great country greater.



Well said. There is no way that Hillary Clinton is comparable to Donald Trump as a politician. There has been a new narrative ever since Trump won the nomination too.

Anti-Trump Republicans have spinned it as if the only person that Hillary could have defeated was Trump. Do they forget that Trump cakewalked his way through the Republican field during the promaries? Do people forget how they kept touting the fact that Trump was the perfect person to run against her because it was a "change" election?

This notion that she is such a weak candidate is garbage. She is and has been pretty formidable throughout her career. Trump has no chance if he attempts to debate her on policy. It's not because she hasn't made mistakes because she has. He isn't the guy to exploit them however. They (Republicans) wanted an "outsider" which is nothing more than code for Amateur.

This notion that Democrats aren't necessarily excited about her lacks merit too. She isn't a fresh new face and I don't want her to be either. She is a grizzled veteran that understands how the game is played and knows how to get things done.


yea i dont see how she could do 30 years of public service... at a national level at that... while being a criminal. she was surrounded by corruption, it was in her fuckin marriage!, but she stayed true the whole time. mistakes? sure. some wrong decisions. but not catastrophic mistakes and the vast majority of her work WAS right. she will be a good president, no worries there. not going to change a whole lot, but not going fuck up a whole lot either and right now, thats fine.

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All this talk about honesty.

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She has the second worst approval rating of any presidential candidate in history. It's demonstrably false to claim she is a strong candidate.


I could check the history of presidential candidates for validity but with the naked eye she'd easily be a better candidate than Mondale, Dukakis, Kerry, and McGovern. This makes your statement "demonstrably false". I haven't even named any Republicans either.

You must not know what demonstrably false means. It's been reported on numerous times in recent weeks that these two candidates have the lowest approval ratings in the history of approval ratings. Your personal opinion is irrelevant to what I posted. Here:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/ame ... -breaking/


And your personal opinion means nothing when I can name 2 candidates (Mondale) and (McGovern) that lost 49 out of 50 states. That is the definition of a weak candidate not some silly approval rating stat.

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Sounds like more grade A bs from Nate Tin and his merry band of R-twirlers: Nixon '72 had historically low unfavorables; while Obama 2012 is neck and neck with Goldwater to place in the most unfavorable race:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/193376/trump-leads-clinton-historically-bad-image-ratings.aspx

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For nostalgic purposes probably yeah. I was a college student in Louisiana when that fucker ran for Gov. His candidacy shook the damn state up.

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