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I'm with him on the stance of the church against homosexuality and birth control, but I can't move on abortion.

The man is a missionary and is someone that can make me proud to be a Catholic again.


Missionaries tell people about the Gospel. They don't try to sugarcoat or water down the truth to make it more palatable. Too many people want to say "I'm a Christian, but I vote pro-choice, I support same-sex marriage, I like to get drunk or whatever activity it is that is forbidden by the Scriptures." Jesus would have told people like that, "You cannot serve two masters. Repent or perish." The goal of Christianity is not to get people to feel comfortable about their sin. The goal of Christianity is to turn people into the image of Christ.
I think it would be a ton of fun to get drunk with Jesus.

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Forgive my ignorance as I'm not particularly religious but I've never gotten the impression that Jesus would ever say "repent or perish".
Did he say things like that?
Kinda sounds more like the scripture according to John...Rambo.

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I believe he said, is there no one here to condemn you? Then I do not condemn you either. Go and sin no more.

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Mini Ditka wrote:

Missionaries tell people about the Gospel. They don't try to sugarcoat or water down the truth to make it more palatable.


The bible is real explicit about divorce and you have disagreed with what it said, here.

So in your estimation, truth is relative to what you decide it is.

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Forgive my ignorance as I'm not particularly religious but I've never gotten the impression that Jesus would ever say "repent or perish".
Did he say things like that?
Kinda sounds more like the scripture according to John...Rambo.


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Seacrest wrote:
Mini Ditka wrote:

Missionaries tell people about the Gospel. They don't try to sugarcoat or water down the truth to make it more palatable.


The bible is real explicit about divorce and you have disagreed with what it said, here.

So in your estimation, truth is relative to what you decide it is.


Jesus said people could divorce if there was marital unfaithfulness (anything involving sexual infidelity). Catholics typically ignore that last caveat and ignore things like spousal abuse.

A man or woman separating from an abusive spouse is perfectly acceptable. It's not right that anyone should be abused or be allowed to abuse the other person in the relationship. How someone works through their decision to get divorced or not divorced is between them and the Lord. I don't think it's meant to be applied in such a rigid way that people sometimes apply it.

Outside of Catholicism there are a lot of Christian people who don't attend churches that write teaching about every aspect of life with specific lists like the Catholic church has.

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What does the Bible say about people who put the banana code into the machine but are actually buying more expensive items?

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What does the Bible say about people who put the banana code into the machine but are actually buying more expensive items?


Stealing is a sin.

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Mini Ditka wrote:
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What does the Bible say about people who put the banana code into the machine but are actually buying more expensive items?


Stealing is a sin.
Is it better for me to put in the banana code or kiss a man?

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Mini Ditka wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
What does the Bible say about people who put the banana code into the machine but are actually buying more expensive items?


Stealing is a sin.
Is it better for me to put in the banana code or kiss a man?


What if I put the banana in the man?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Mini Ditka wrote:
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What does the Bible say about people who put the banana code into the machine but are actually buying more expensive items?


Stealing is a sin.
Is it better for me to put in the banana code or kiss a man?


At the end of your life you will have to give account for whatever it is you do, so choose wisely.

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At the end of your life you will have to give account for whatever it is you do, so choose wisely.
I hope God loves reading my message board posts because I'll have like 100,000 by then.

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Mini Ditka wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
Mini Ditka wrote:

Missionaries tell people about the Gospel. They don't try to sugarcoat or water down the truth to make it more palatable.


The bible is real explicit about divorce and you have disagreed with what it said, here.

So in your estimation, truth is relative to what you decide it is.


Jesus said people could divorce if there was marital unfaithfulness (anything involving sexual infidelity). Catholics typically ignore that last caveat and ignore things like spousal abuse.

A man or woman separating from an abusive spouse is perfectly acceptable. It's not right that anyone should be abused or be allowed to abuse the other person in the relationship. How someone works through their decision to get divorced or not divorced is between them and the Lord. I don't think it's meant to be applied in such a rigid way that people sometimes apply it.

Outside of Catholicism there are a lot of Christian people who don't attend churches that write teaching about every aspect of life with specific lists like the Catholic church has.


Please post the bible verse where Jesus said it's OK to divorce if a spouse is unfaithful.

And a couple more swings and misses on what Catholicism teaches.

Your parents paid good money for you to go to a Catholic high school.

Are you ignoring what they taught you there or just intentionally misrepresenting it here?

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Seacrest wrote:
Mini Ditka wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
Mini Ditka wrote:

Missionaries tell people about the Gospel. They don't try to sugarcoat or water down the truth to make it more palatable.


The bible is real explicit about divorce and you have disagreed with what it said, here.

So in your estimation, truth is relative to what you decide it is.


Jesus said people could divorce if there was marital unfaithfulness (anything involving sexual infidelity). Catholics typically ignore that last caveat and ignore things like spousal abuse.

A man or woman separating from an abusive spouse is perfectly acceptable. It's not right that anyone should be abused or be allowed to abuse the other person in the relationship. How someone works through their decision to get divorced or not divorced is between them and the Lord. I don't think it's meant to be applied in such a rigid way that people sometimes apply it.

Outside of Catholicism there are a lot of Christian people who don't attend churches that write teaching about every aspect of life with specific lists like the Catholic church has.


Please post the bible verse where Jesus said it's OK to divorce if a spouse is unfaithful.

And a couple more swings and misses on what Catholicism teaches.

Your parents paid good money for you to go to a Catholic high school.

Are you ignoring what they taught you there or just intentionally misrepresenting it here?


Matthew 5:

31“It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.’f 32But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

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Mini Ditka wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
Mini Ditka wrote:

Missionaries tell people about the Gospel. They don't try to sugarcoat or water down the truth to make it more palatable.


The bible is real explicit about divorce and you have disagreed with what it said, here.

So in your estimation, truth is relative to what you decide it is.


Jesus said people could divorce if there was marital unfaithfulness (anything involving sexual infidelity). Catholics typically ignore that last caveat and ignore things like spousal abuse.

A man or woman separating from an abusive spouse is perfectly acceptable. It's not right that anyone should be abused or be allowed to abuse the other person in the relationship. How someone works through their decision to get divorced or not divorced is between them and the Lord. I don't think it's meant to be applied in such a rigid way that people sometimes apply it.

Outside of Catholicism there are a lot of Christian people who don't attend churches that write teaching about every aspect of life with specific lists like the Catholic church has.


Seacrest wrote:
Please post the bible verse where Jesus said it's OK to divorce if a spouse is unfaithful.

And a couple more swings and misses on what Catholicism teaches.

Your parents paid good money for you to go to a Catholic high school.

Are you ignoring what they taught you there or just intentionally misrepresenting it here?


Mini Ditka wrote:
Matthew 5:

31“It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.’f 32But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.


The bold type was not part of any bible for at least 16 centuries.

Can you enlighten us about when it was added and by whom?

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Seacrest wrote:
Mini Ditka wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
Mini Ditka wrote:

Missionaries tell people about the Gospel. They don't try to sugarcoat or water down the truth to make it more palatable.


The bible is real explicit about divorce and you have disagreed with what it said, here.

So in your estimation, truth is relative to what you decide it is.


Jesus said people could divorce if there was marital unfaithfulness (anything involving sexual infidelity). Catholics typically ignore that last caveat and ignore things like spousal abuse.

A man or woman separating from an abusive spouse is perfectly acceptable. It's not right that anyone should be abused or be allowed to abuse the other person in the relationship. How someone works through their decision to get divorced or not divorced is between them and the Lord. I don't think it's meant to be applied in such a rigid way that people sometimes apply it.

Outside of Catholicism there are a lot of Christian people who don't attend churches that write teaching about every aspect of life with specific lists like the Catholic church has.


Seacrest wrote:
Please post the bible verse where Jesus said it's OK to divorce if a spouse is unfaithful.

And a couple more swings and misses on what Catholicism teaches.

Your parents paid good money for you to go to a Catholic high school.

Are you ignoring what they taught you there or just intentionally misrepresenting it here?


Mini Ditka wrote:
Matthew 5:

31“It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.’f 32But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.


The bold type was not part of any bible for at least 16 centuries.

Can you enlighten us about when it was added and by whom?


I added no bold type to my post.

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Seacrest wrote:
Mini Ditka wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
Mini Ditka wrote:

Missionaries tell people about the Gospel. They don't try to sugarcoat or water down the truth to make it more palatable.


The bible is real explicit about divorce and you have disagreed with what it said, here.

So in your estimation, truth is relative to what you decide it is.


Jesus said people could divorce if there was marital unfaithfulness (anything involving sexual infidelity). Catholics typically ignore that last caveat and ignore things like spousal abuse.

A man or woman separating from an abusive spouse is perfectly acceptable. It's not right that anyone should be abused or be allowed to abuse the other person in the relationship. How someone works through their decision to get divorced or not divorced is between them and the Lord. I don't think it's meant to be applied in such a rigid way that people sometimes apply it.

Outside of Catholicism there are a lot of Christian people who don't attend churches that write teaching about every aspect of life with specific lists like the Catholic church has.


Seacrest wrote:
Please post the bible verse where Jesus said it's OK to divorce if a spouse is unfaithful.

And a couple more swings and misses on what Catholicism teaches.

Your parents paid good money for you to go to a Catholic high school.

Are you ignoring what they taught you there or just intentionally misrepresenting it here?


Mini Ditka wrote:
Matthew 5:

31“It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.’f 32But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.


The bold type was not part of any bible for at least 16 centuries.

Can you enlighten us about when it was added and by whom?


Mini Ditka wrote:
I added no bold type to my post.


I didn't say that you did.

The bold type you assert is part of Matthew's Gospel in your post, was not in any translation other than your own for 16 centuries.

Who added that caveat contained in your post?

When was it added?

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I didn't say that you did.

The bold type you assert is part of Matthew's Gospel in your post, was not in any translation other than your own for 16 centuries.

Who added that caveat contained in your post?

When was it added?


I have no idea what you're talking about, but Wikipedia has some thoughts on the passage. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_5:32

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31“It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.’f 32But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Sexual immorality as a reason for divorce is not from any original translation of Matthew.

Who added it?

When did that happen?

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31“It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.’f 32But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Sexual immorality as a reason for divorce is not from any original translation of Matthew.

Who added it?

When did that happen?


It has always been in the original Greek as you can see from the Wikipedia page. No one added it.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... sion=RSVCE

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Mini Ditka wrote:
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31“It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.’f 32But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Sexual immorality as a reason for divorce is not from any original translation of Matthew.

Who added it?

When did that happen?


It has always been in the original Greek as you can see from the Wikipedia page. No one added it.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... sion=RSVCE


Nice try MD.

You won't find it in any published work before the King James version. And you won't find it in all of them either.

Back to the second question:

Are you ignoring what your parents paid good money for you to learn at a Catholic high school or are you intentionally misrepresenting it here?

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Are you ignoring what your parents paid good money for you to learn at a Catholic high school or are you intentionally misrepresenting it here?


What did you feel that I misrepresented?

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Mini Ditka wrote:
Catholics typically ignore ignore things like spousal abuse.


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This sounds very nice and all, but if you have no doctrine then you have no religious faith.


There is a couple to start with.

How is your research going on finding out when and whom made the "sexual immorality" exception?

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Crest seems to know his way around the bible, I'll tell you that.

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