I don't know if you can't read? But discrimination isn't just about race...

The problem is you are using one statistic, that varies based on the study methodology significantly, to make a complete comparison. The South has a well deserved reputation for how minorities are treated. A study that says that Milwaukee, Chicago, and New York are more segregated than the large cities in the South doesn't change that. You seem to be pulling back now though which is good. Racism is a problem in every single place in America now. It is worse in some places. I'll be fairly content in saying that in general though racism is more of an issue in your average Southern area than it is in Chicago regardless of the segregation study which more often than not is a reflection of income inequality rather than some inherent racism. That's why NYC ranks so highly on those lists too even though clearly in terms of inclusion and diversity it is better than just about anywhere.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Brick have you ever lived in the south?

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If you're talking about people living where they can afford, that's not discrimination, that's economics.

Real Estate value are set by supply vs demand (with location being the primary driver in the demand factor) so naturally rich people will live in neighborhoods they can afford and poor people will live where they can afford. Perhaps Chicago real estate prices will fall as people leave.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

Not sure if you mean the guy from the bored or the guy in the White House.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
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No.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

No Chicagoan ever thought this.

Sure, they might think that the South is the racist part of the US and all that bullshit, but....no Chicagoan ever thought this. Maybe one did one time, but God probably killed him (or her) for being too stupid to live.



I'm not saying you don't make a lot of sense. Wait--I'm saying that otherwise, you do make a lot of sense. I'm attracted to you.

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yeah, they tend to measure segregation (dissimilarity) group by group (so a black-white or a latino-white or a dago-normal white people number....)

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You went to Purdue, go an hour down to Indy and that city is culturally part of the South. They even have Waffle House.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

I am not moving South. We enjoy the four seasons and love the midwest. In no way I am cheering for Illinois to fail. We'd like to live in a more rural setting near water and also in a place with a more permanent winter snow pack (for snowmobiling).

Illinois has massive governance issues. At some point the hammer is going to fall. We're up to $14B behind on our bills, well over $100B in upside down pensions, the 2nd highest property taxes (behind NJ), the highest sales tax rate, a $6B annual budget deficit, and $35B in debt outstanding. It's such an unsustainable situation. For as high as taxes are, it is incredible that we are in such a deep hole. It's not a sole reason to move away, but it is a good reason to not invest more money in the state via a retirement home. The stagnation of property prices and population are early warning signs of what looks to be a longer term, slow decline.

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No, I am referring to "religious freedom" dictating when I'm allowed to buy beer or acting like the world will end if two gay dudes get married.

Sounds like you want to move to Minnesota.

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You don't have to leave IL to find those two issues KW.

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I think we're talking past each other a bit here. I can agree the studies aren't perfect. I guess I'm making the point that the problems the South has in regards to race (and yes there are problems there) are not endemic to that region alone. It seems are are in agreement on that point.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

I can't say I'm fond of the religious right either. However, as northerners fleeing places like Illinois come to these southern cities, the attitudes they bring with them on these matters have had an impact.

My parents moved to the South a decade ago. When they moved, their county was dry, but a few years afterwards they had a referendum where an overwhelming majority of the population threw those laws out the window. That's an anecdote, but representative a common trend throughout the South. Especially in the areas with growing populations from transplants.

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Yes, I posted earlier that WI, MI, and MN are in the discussion. We're going to look at property in Wisconsin first since it's the easiest to scout. We need to balance the distance from here because our entire (and very large) family still lives in the Chicago suburbs.

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the plan is to go bankrupt and have the rest of you chumps bail us out.

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Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest

You joke, but that seems to be the only way Illinois gets fixed, and Madigan knows it. Either that or he keeps the charade going and the fiscal time bomb goes off after he's dead.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

the next new piece of information Ogie provides in this thread will be the first

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Trump really wants to drain the swamp and burn it to the ground. Assign a special investigation/prosecutor on the looting of the Social Security System by Congress and by extension the looting of the pension funds in all levels in Illinois. See a lot of people going to jail,especially the two Madigains. I mean honestly if they had done this in the real business would would they have not been brought up on either charges like Madoff or Enron?

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

The Illinois pension weren't. The required contributions weren't made or were funded by issuing debt. There are a few problems with double dipping and bad practices of allowing workers to load up overtime and vacation days in their final year to earn an out sized pension (i.e. higher than their final salary), but those were allowable in the rules.

Social security is another matter. It is nearly a paygo system. Any private pension would have been declared insolvent if it followed Social Security's rules. Private pensions start triggering warnings at 80% funded ratio. Social Security may be about 5% funded and with treasury bonds to boot.

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The CPS pensions where borrowed from.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

I was thinking about moving down there, but there is not one property available in all of Del Boca Vista.

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Good people drink good beer - Hunter S. Thompson

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way

Are you trying to keep us OUT of Del Boca Vista?

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

No he doesn't. He just said that to get stupid people to vote for him.

I'm really disappointed that you aren't calling him a motherfucking liar every day, with all of his failed campaign promises. Not only are most of them unfulfilled, he has done a 180 on several of them.

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
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I think he meant "if Trump wants to drain the swamp and burn it to the ground [sic], he'll assign . . .", so maybe he thinks Trump has been a liar to date but could theoretically redeem himself. Stewardess, I speak Poopcup.

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I may be headed that direction next year for a job transfer. It would not suck.

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Not a mult.

Don't you mean they borrowed money to make the required contribution? I don't think the unions would ever allow money to be borrowed from them nor I have I ever heard of anyone borrowing from pension money.

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Why have you taken my thoughts on Pulte so personally?

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Good people drink good beer - Hunter S. Thompson

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way