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Vaping will kill more Americans this month than the rone.

Yeah that's probably not true.

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Trump would rather talk about the vaping epidemic than the Coronavirus in January. Now here is guy really on top of things.


Within the administration, Trump's aides tried in vain to convince him of the virus's seriousness, according to the Post. Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar was unable to discuss the virus with Trump until January 18, two senior administration officials told the Post -- at which point the President interrupted him to ask when sales of flavored vaping products would resume, senior administration officials told the paper.

:lol: . Yeah I dont get that either. Is he a Vaper? That's fucking bizarre.


There was a time not that long ago that he was really making a big deal out of vaping. He was playing it up as if was a national epidemic or something. I think at the time there were 6 people total that had died from it.

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Trump would rather talk about the vaping epidemic than the Coronavirus in January. Now here is guy really on top of things.


Within the administration, Trump's aides tried in vain to convince him of the virus's seriousness, according to the Post. Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar was unable to discuss the virus with Trump until January 18, two senior administration officials told the Post -- at which point the President interrupted him to ask when sales of flavored vaping products would resume, senior administration officials told the paper.

:lol: . Yeah I dont get that either. Is he a Vaper? That's fucking bizarre.


There was a time not that long ago that he was really making a big deal out of vaping. He was playing it up as if was a national epidemic or something. I think at the time there were 6 people total that had died from it.

Weird. And they were all black market marijuana vapes too IIRC.
Trump is a goofy fucker.

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1. Provide more testing kits.
2. Test experimental drugs.
3. Provide a contingency plan for whenever this thing struck

1. Test kits could not have been provided for until we had the virus samples. These were not available until late January. Then they had to be developed. Then they had to be tested to see if they worked. Then they could go into production. Then... if resources were available (and they're still not available enough, the raw materials) they could be mass produced. This was not a failure of prep.

2. Experimental drug testing? Well first of all that's not exactly ethical really, but once families of drugs were tried, others were used experimentally. Again Trump doesn't just sit at his desk and sign an order that says "test experimental drugs". You have to do research. You have to have the virus samples.

3. I agree finally. An emergency plan. We have 400 or so nuclear war scenarios that some egghead in the Pentagon drew up. No one sat and came up with a fast moving virus plan? How to contain city by city state by state or county by county? We all saw that movie.


The WHO could have provided the tests with no sweat. The biggest failure in all of this was the inability to test. We don't have nearly enough data. Thus we have no way of tracking it. That is why quarantining is best course of action currently. There is no way to know just how widespread it is.

The CDC actually tried to provide a test in January but the FDA didn't approve it.

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The WHO doesn't have millions of tests to give. It's not "no sweat". They only had about 1.5 million of them. And what they do have is intended for low income countries and people, not places like the US. And we didn't exact refuse them.
This is all public information.

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The WHO doesn't have millions of tests to give. It's not "no sweat". They only had about 1.5 million of them. And what they do have is intended for low income countries and people, not places like the US. And we didn't exact refuse them.
This is all public information.

The CDC could have produced the exact same test that the WHO produced. WHO offered to produce the test but U.S prefers to produce their own. American Exceptionalism

They chose to create their own test kit and there was a defect which caused a further delay.

Let me debunk something else also. This isn't about test 330 million people. This is about having the resources to test those that want to be tested. We don't and won't for awhile.

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Interestingly, 2 weeks ago, the FDA issued a statement that the WHO did not have a test that it was distributing globally. At that time, the WHO had access to 1 million tests.

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The CDC could have produced the exact same test that the WHO produced. WHO offered to produce the test but U.S prefers to produce their own. American Exceptionalism

They chose to create their own test kit and there was a defect which caused a further delay.

Let me debunk something else also. This isn't about test 330 million people. This is about having the resources to test those that want to be tested. We don't and won't for awhile.

The CDC doesn't manufacture tests. They would be buying them. The WHO didnt have access to more than 1 million tests. And the WHO themselves said there were no discussions about providing tests to the us.
The WHO has to buy these tests from Germany and there arent nearly enough globally for the us to take kits from countries that needed them much more urgently. Exceptionalism indeed. We reserved them for countries that couldn't produce them. Most of the who tests ended up in iran I believe.

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The travel ban was the right thing to do - it's not xenophobic, though I'm sure someone like Stephen Miller gets excited about the ban for different reasons. If there's a criticism of the travel ban it's that it could have been executed sooner.

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The travel ban was the right thing to do - it's not xenophobic, though I'm sure someone like Stephen Miller gets excited about the ban for different reasons. If there's a criticism of the travel ban it's that it could have been executed sooner.

I never said that it was. What I said is that the guy had a xenophobic itch. The same itch Stephen Miller has.

I agreed with it actually. You have to take precautions. There should have been more than simply that however.

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The CDC could have produced the exact same test that the WHO produced. WHO offered to produce the test but U.S prefers to produce their own. American Exceptionalism

They chose to create their own test kit and there was a defect which caused a further delay.

Let me debunk something else also. This isn't about test 330 million people. This is about having the resources to test those that want to be tested. We don't and won't for awhile.

The CDC doesn't manufacture tests. They would be buying them. The WHO didnt have access to more than 1 million tests. And the WHO themselves said there were no discussions about providing tests to the us.
The WHO has to buy these tests from Germany and there arent nearly enough globally for the us to take kits from countries that needed them much more urgently. Exceptionalism indeed. We reserved them for countries that couldn't produce them. Most of the who tests ended up in iran I believe.

They should have simply used the test provided by the WHO

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In particular, some of the CDC's tests wrongly detected the new coronavirus in samples of laboratory-grade water, one email said, according to The Journal. The email, sent from a CDC official to state public-health-lab officials, said some labs found "sporadic reactivity in the negative control of one of the three assay components."

But the CDC had already sent those kits to state public-health labs and had to retrieve them.

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The CDC could have produced the exact same test that the WHO produced. WHO offered to produce the test but U.S prefers to produce their own. American Exceptionalism

They chose to create their own test kit and there was a defect which caused a further delay.

Let me debunk something else also. This isn't about test 330 million people. This is about having the resources to test those that want to be tested. We don't and won't for awhile.

The CDC doesn't manufacture tests. They would be buying them. The WHO didnt have access to more than 1 million tests. And the WHO themselves said there were no discussions about providing tests to the us.
The WHO has to buy these tests from Germany and there arent nearly enough globally for the us to take kits from countries that needed them much more urgently. Exceptionalism indeed. We reserved them for countries that couldn't produce them. Most of the who tests ended up in iran I believe.

They should have simply used the test provided by the WHO

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In particular, some of the CDC's tests wrongly detected the new coronavirus in samples of laboratory-grade water, one email said, according to The Journal. The email, sent from a CDC official to state public-health-lab officials, said some labs found "sporadic reactivity in the negative control of one of the three assay components."

But the CDC had already sent those kits to state public-health labs and had to retrieve them.

In order to "simply use the test provided by the WHO" we would have denied tests to the rest of the world, particularly the underdeveloped world that had no capacity to develop their own. We'd have stolen from Cameroon, Cote d’Ivoire, Congo, Egypt, Ethiopia, Gabon, Ghana, Kenya, Morocco, Nigeria, Tunisia, Uganda, Zambia. Poor countries. Ravaged countries. What would be your headline, honest now, if we'd have taken the lions share of 1 million available tests from places like those?

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Darkside wrote:
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The CDC could have produced the exact same test that the WHO produced. WHO offered to produce the test but U.S prefers to produce their own. American Exceptionalism

They chose to create their own test kit and there was a defect which caused a further delay.

Let me debunk something else also. This isn't about test 330 million people. This is about having the resources to test those that want to be tested. We don't and won't for awhile.

The CDC doesn't manufacture tests. They would be buying them. The WHO didnt have access to more than 1 million tests. And the WHO themselves said there were no discussions about providing tests to the us.
The WHO has to buy these tests from Germany and there arent nearly enough globally for the us to take kits from countries that needed them much more urgently. Exceptionalism indeed. We reserved them for countries that couldn't produce them. Most of the who tests ended up in iran I believe.

They should have simply used the test provided by the WHO

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In particular, some of the CDC's tests wrongly detected the new coronavirus in samples of laboratory-grade water, one email said, according to The Journal. The email, sent from a CDC official to state public-health-lab officials, said some labs found "sporadic reactivity in the negative control of one of the three assay components."

But the CDC had already sent those kits to state public-health labs and had to retrieve them.

In order to "simply use the test provided by the WHO" we would have denied tests to the rest of the world, particularly the underdeveloped world that had no capacity to develop their own. We'd have stolen from Cameroon, Cote d’Ivoire, Congo, Egypt, Ethiopia, Gabon, Ghana, Kenya, Morocco, Nigeria, Tunisia, Uganda, Zambia. Poor countries. Ravaged countries. What would be your headline, honest now, if we'd have taken the lions share of 1 million available tests from places like those?


Allow me to explain this. Rather than use the test they use we decided to create our own test. It was extremely flawed.

We could have had the CDC create the exact same test that the WHO uses. We didn't which created a delay in the availability of the test.

If you think that people just started contracting this you are wrong. There were people that had this in January but how would we know without the availability to test.?
We were so far behind the curve on this that it's scary.

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The CDC could have produced the exact same test that the WHO produced. WHO offered to produce the test but U.S prefers to produce their own. American Exceptionalism

They chose to create their own test kit and there was a defect which caused a further delay.

Let me debunk something else also. This isn't about test 330 million people. This is about having the resources to test those that want to be tested. We don't and won't for awhile.

The CDC doesn't manufacture tests. They would be buying them. The WHO didnt have access to more than 1 million tests. And the WHO themselves said there were no discussions about providing tests to the us.
The WHO has to buy these tests from Germany and there arent nearly enough globally for the us to take kits from countries that needed them much more urgently. Exceptionalism indeed. We reserved them for countries that couldn't produce them. Most of the who tests ended up in iran I believe.

They should have simply used the test provided by the WHO

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In particular, some of the CDC's tests wrongly detected the new coronavirus in samples of laboratory-grade water, one email said, according to The Journal. The email, sent from a CDC official to state public-health-lab officials, said some labs found "sporadic reactivity in the negative control of one of the three assay components."

But the CDC had already sent those kits to state public-health labs and had to retrieve them.

In order to "simply use the test provided by the WHO" we would have denied tests to the rest of the world, particularly the underdeveloped world that had no capacity to develop their own. We'd have stolen from Cameroon, Cote d’Ivoire, Congo, Egypt, Ethiopia, Gabon, Ghana, Kenya, Morocco, Nigeria, Tunisia, Uganda, Zambia. Poor countries. Ravaged countries. What would be your headline, honest now, if we'd have taken the lions share of 1 million available tests from places like those?


Allow me to explain this. Rather than use the test they use we decided to create our own test. It was extremely flawed.

We could have had the CDC create the exact same test that the WHO uses. We didn't which created a delay in the availability of the test.

If you think that people just started contracting this you are wrong. There were people that had this in January but how would we know without the availability to test.?
We were so far behind the curve on this that it's scary.

Our test kit was first used successful the week of jan 20. It worked fine. They ramped up production once we confirmed it worked. And it did work.
The problem happened in February. One of three reagents was found to have a manufacturing flaw.
It was not a fault of the test itself. It was a problem with one of the chemicals that go into the test.
If the CDC used the "WHO" design, the same flaw would have been present.
Also, according to the WHO, the US was never without a means of testing.
The WHO would be and probably will be buying our test kits once production is ramped up.

Look, both biden and trump misrepresented the tests.

No matter who was president, we could not build test kits without covid19 RNA, which wasnt available until mid to late january.

If anyone is truly to blame for the delay in creating tests, the real culprit is China who hid the information on this for months.

Again, we can talk about a broader, generic plan for a viral outbreak. As I said we have hundreds of war scenarios we've practiced millions of times, and we can simulate a viral outbreak in computers easily, and test various response scenarios and have a playbook. We didnt.

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The CDC could have produced the exact same test that the WHO produced. WHO offered to produce the test but U.S prefers to produce their own. American Exceptionalism

They chose to create their own test kit and there was a defect which caused a further delay.

Let me debunk something else also. This isn't about test 330 million people. This is about having the resources to test those that want to be tested. We don't and won't for awhile.

The CDC doesn't manufacture tests. They would be buying them. The WHO didnt have access to more than 1 million tests. And the WHO themselves said there were no discussions about providing tests to the us.
The WHO has to buy these tests from Germany and there arent nearly enough globally for the us to take kits from countries that needed them much more urgently. Exceptionalism indeed. We reserved them for countries that couldn't produce them. Most of the who tests ended up in iran I believe.

They should have simply used the test provided by the WHO

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In particular, some of the CDC's tests wrongly detected the new coronavirus in samples of laboratory-grade water, one email said, according to The Journal. The email, sent from a CDC official to state public-health-lab officials, said some labs found "sporadic reactivity in the negative control of one of the three assay components."

But the CDC had already sent those kits to state public-health labs and had to retrieve them.

In order to "simply use the test provided by the WHO" we would have denied tests to the rest of the world, particularly the underdeveloped world that had no capacity to develop their own. We'd have stolen from Cameroon, Cote d’Ivoire, Congo, Egypt, Ethiopia, Gabon, Ghana, Kenya, Morocco, Nigeria, Tunisia, Uganda, Zambia. Poor countries. Ravaged countries. What would be your headline, honest now, if we'd have taken the lions share of 1 million available tests from places like those?


Allow me to explain this. Rather than use the test they use we decided to create our own test. It was extremely flawed.

We could have had the CDC create the exact same test that the WHO uses. We didn't which created a delay in the availability of the test.

If you think that people just started contracting this you are wrong. There were people that had this in January but how would we know without the availability to test.?
We were so far behind the curve on this that it's scary.

Our test kit was first used successful the week of jan 20. It worked fine. They ramped up production once we confirmed it worked. And it did work.
The problem happened in February. One of three reagents was found to have a manufacturing flaw.
It was not a fault of the test itself. It was a problem with one of the chemicals that go into the test.
If the CDC used the "WHO" design, the same flaw would have been present.
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Easy to say now and Biden is irrelevant as he isn't the President.

The CDC created their own test and it had to be retrieved because their test couldn't distinguish between Water and the Virus. They went their own way. Again American exceptionalism.

That same day, a top US health official said that the CDC had developed an early version of its own test -- not relying on any protocols published by the WHO.

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Yup. Don't get how they do it.

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Yup. Don't get how they do it.

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Easy to say now and Biden is irrelevant as he isn't the President.

The CDC created their own test and it had to be retrieved because their test couldn't distinguish between Water and the Virus. They went their own way. Again American exceptionalism.

That same day, a top US health official said that the CDC had developed an early version of its own test -- not relying on any protocols published by the WHO.

I reference Biden because he made many false claims about testing in the debate and it seems many are presenting his misrepresentation as fact. He is far from irrelevant. He has responsibility for the misinformation being presented in the media. So does Trump, obviously.

Again, it is not unusual for a 1st world country to develop their own test. This is because, again, taking tests from the WHO, which by the way were not offered by the WHO to the US, would have been taking a very limited supply of tests from poor largely african countries which needed the test significantly more urgently than did the US.

It's not american exceptionalism. Its compassion.

LTG, this is how it was supposed to work.

I do not understand why you are so desperate to lay blame here. At least with the testing. Once you know the facts about the testing it makes no sense.

There is plenty of legit blame to lay of trump if you want to. The testing is not a legitimate criticism. The preplanning and scenario testing is.

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Yup. Don't get how they do it.

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Easy to say now and Biden is irrelevant as he isn't the President.

The CDC created their own test and it had to be retrieved because their test couldn't distinguish between Water and the Virus. They went their own way. Again American exceptionalism.

That same day, a top US health official said that the CDC had developed an early version of its own test -- not relying on any protocols published by the WHO.

I reference Biden because he made many false claims about testing in the debate and it seems many are presenting his misrepresentation as fact. He is far from irrelevant. He has responsibility for the misinformation being presented in the media. So does Trump, obviously.

Again, it is not unusual for a 1st world country to develop their own test. This is because, again, taking tests from the WHO, which by the way were not offered by the WHO to the US, would have been taking a very limited supply of tests from poor largely african countries which needed the test significantly more urgently than did the US.

It's not american exceptionalism. Its compassion.

LTG, this is how it was supposed to work.

I do not understand why you are so desperate to lay blame here. At least with the testing. Once you know the facts about the testing it makes no sense.

There is plenty of legit blame to lay of trump if you want to. The testing is not a legitimate criticism. The preplanning and scenario testing is.


Why is Biden important?

Yes it is. Listen to the guy that actually developed the test. No doubt in his mind where the blame lay.



When Olfert Landt heard about the novel coronavirus, he got busy.

Founder of a small Berlin-based company, the ponytailed 54-year-old first raced to help German researchers come up with a diagnostic test and then spurred his company to produce and ship more than 1.4 million tests by the end of February for the World Health Organization.

“My wife and I have been working 16 hours a day, seven days a week, ever since,” Landt said by phone about 1 a.m. Friday, Berlin time. “Our days are full.”

By contrast, over the same critical period, U.S. efforts to distribute tests ground nearly to a halt, and the country’s inability to produce them left public health officials with limited means to determine where and how fast the virus was spreading. From mid-January until Feb. 28, fewer than 4,000 tests from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention were used out of more 160,000 produced.

Robert Redfield, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, testifies about coronavirus preparedness on Capitol Hill on March 12. (Joshua Roberts/Reuters)

The United States’ struggles, in Landt’s view, stemmed from the fact the country took too long to use private companies to develop the tests. The coronavirus pandemic was too big and moving too fast for the CDC to develop its own tests in time, he said.

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Easy to say now and Biden is irrelevant as he isn't the President.

The CDC created their own test and it had to be retrieved because their test couldn't distinguish between Water and the Virus. They went their own way. Again American exceptionalism.

That same day, a top US health official said that the CDC had developed an early version of its own test -- not relying on any protocols published by the WHO.

I reference Biden because he made many false claims about testing in the debate and it seems many are presenting his misrepresentation as fact. He is far from irrelevant. He has responsibility for the misinformation being presented in the media. So does Trump, obviously.

Again, it is not unusual for a 1st world country to develop their own test. This is because, again, taking tests from the WHO, which by the way were not offered by the WHO to the US, would have been taking a very limited supply of tests from poor largely african countries which needed the test significantly more urgently than did the US.

It's not american exceptionalism. Its compassion.

LTG, this is how it was supposed to work.

I do not understand why you are so desperate to lay blame here. At least with the testing. Once you know the facts about the testing it makes no sense.

There is plenty of legit blame to lay of trump if you want to. The testing is not a legitimate criticism. The preplanning and scenario testing is.


Why is Biden important?

I posted why in the post you're quoting. Hes on a national stage giving false information.
It's a similar reason foxnews is important. And cnn. And a innumerable list of other entities that are spreading misinformation, in this context about the testing, but in many other important areas as well.

Trump isn't without blame.

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Darkside wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Darkside wrote:
long time wrote:

Easy to say now and Biden is irrelevant as he isn't the President.

The CDC created their own test and it had to be retrieved because their test couldn't distinguish between Water and the Virus. They went their own way. Again American exceptionalism.

That same day, a top US health official said that the CDC had developed an early version of its own test -- not relying on any protocols published by the WHO.

I reference Biden because he made many false claims about testing in the debate and it seems many are presenting his misrepresentation as fact. He is far from irrelevant. He has responsibility for the misinformation being presented in the media. So does Trump, obviously.

Again, it is not unusual for a 1st world country to develop their own test. This is because, again, taking tests from the WHO, which by the way were not offered by the WHO to the US, would have been taking a very limited supply of tests from poor largely african countries which needed the test significantly more urgently than did the US.

It's not american exceptionalism. Its compassion.

LTG, this is how it was supposed to work.

I do not understand why you are so desperate to lay blame here. At least with the testing. Once you know the facts about the testing it makes no sense.

There is plenty of legit blame to lay of trump if you want to. The testing is not a legitimate criticism. The preplanning and scenario testing is.


Why is Biden important?

I posted why in the post you're quoting. Hes on a national stage giving false information.
It's a similar reason foxnews is important. And cnn. And a innumerable list of other entities that are spreading misinformation, in this context about the testing, but in many other important areas as well.

Trump isn't without blame.


Nothing Biden says will matter. He ain't the President. His getting it wrong or right doesn't impact the country. Trump getting it wrong or right does.

He didn't take the threat seriously and repeatedly downplayed it. While you keep focusing on my words I get it from people that were close to the situation.

People were wearing masks in this country in Dec and January. This didn't just sneak up on us. What he is doing now could have been done then

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long time guy wrote:
Darkside wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Darkside wrote:
long time wrote:

Easy to say now and Biden is irrelevant as he isn't the President.

The CDC created their own test and it had to be retrieved because their test couldn't distinguish between Water and the Virus. They went their own way. Again American exceptionalism.

That same day, a top US health official said that the CDC had developed an early version of its own test -- not relying on any protocols published by the WHO.

I reference Biden because he made many false claims about testing in the debate and it seems many are presenting his misrepresentation as fact. He is far from irrelevant. He has responsibility for the misinformation being presented in the media. So does Trump, obviously.

Again, it is not unusual for a 1st world country to develop their own test. This is because, again, taking tests from the WHO, which by the way were not offered by the WHO to the US, would have been taking a very limited supply of tests from poor largely african countries which needed the test significantly more urgently than did the US.

It's not american exceptionalism. Its compassion.

LTG, this is how it was supposed to work.

I do not understand why you are so desperate to lay blame here. At least with the testing. Once you know the facts about the testing it makes no sense.

There is plenty of legit blame to lay of trump if you want to. The testing is not a legitimate criticism. The preplanning and scenario testing is.


Why is Biden important?

I posted why in the post you're quoting. Hes on a national stage giving false information.
It's a similar reason foxnews is important. And cnn. And a innumerable list of other entities that are spreading misinformation, in this context about the testing, but in many other important areas as well.

Trump isn't without blame.


Nothing Biden says will matter. He ain't the President. His getting it wrong or right doesn't impact the country. Trump getting it wrong or right does.

He didn't take the threat seriously and repeatedly downplayed it. While you keep focusing on my words I get it from people that were close to the situation.

People were wearing masks in this country in Dec and January. This didn't just sneak up on us. What he is doing now could have been done then


That is just a stupid comment on your part. People wearing masks in this country means that Trump knew about the seriousness about this and tried to downplay it. Guess what, dipshit? The Asians in this country have been wearing masks for years in this country. They have a mindset about germs and pollution in general due to the pollution in their countries. hve you never been on a plane and seen a lot of Asian people wearing surgical masks on the plane. It is almost part of their reaction to any place where people are in close proximity to others.

You just want to blame Trump for everything and anything. While the Dems were trying to impeach the man they should have been busy working with Trump's administration to try and figure this thing out. You and your ilk ought to be ashamed of yourselves but you are beyond shame.

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The Hawk wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Darkside wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Darkside wrote:
long time wrote:

Easy to say now and Biden is irrelevant as he isn't the President.

The CDC created their own test and it had to be retrieved because their test couldn't distinguish between Water and the Virus. They went their own way. Again American exceptionalism.

That same day, a top US health official said that the CDC had developed an early version of its own test -- not relying on any protocols published by the WHO.

I reference Biden because he made many false claims about testing in the debate and it seems many are presenting his misrepresentation as fact. He is far from irrelevant. He has responsibility for the misinformation being presented in the media. So does Trump, obviously.

Again, it is not unusual for a 1st world country to develop their own test. This is because, again, taking tests from the WHO, which by the way were not offered by the WHO to the US, would have been taking a very limited supply of tests from poor largely african countries which needed the test significantly more urgently than did the US.

It's not american exceptionalism. Its compassion.

LTG, this is how it was supposed to work.

I do not understand why you are so desperate to lay blame here. At least with the testing. Once you know the facts about the testing it makes no sense.

There is plenty of legit blame to lay of trump if you want to. The testing is not a legitimate criticism. The preplanning and scenario testing is.


Why is Biden important?

I posted why in the post you're quoting. Hes on a national stage giving false information.
It's a similar reason foxnews is important. And cnn. And a innumerable list of other entities that are spreading misinformation, in this context about the testing, but in many other important areas as well.

Trump isn't without blame.


Nothing Biden says will matter. He ain't the President. His getting it wrong or right doesn't impact the country. Trump getting it wrong or right does.

He didn't take the threat seriously and repeatedly downplayed it. While you keep focusing on my words I get it from people that were close to the situation.

People were wearing masks in this country in Dec and January. This didn't just sneak up on us. What he is doing now could have been done then


That is just a stupid comment on your part. People wearing masks in this country means that Trump knew about the seriousness about this and tried to downplay it. Guess what, dipshit? The Asians in this country have been wearing masks for years in this country. They have a mindset about germs and pollution in general due to the pollution in their countries. hve you never been on a plane and seen a lot of Asian people wearing surgical masks on the plane. It is almost part of their reaction to any place where people are in close proximity to others.

You just want to blame Trump for everything and anything. While the Dems were trying to impeach the man they should have been busy working with Trump's administration to try and figure this thing out. You and your ilk ought to be ashamed of yourselves but you are beyond shame.


As the useful idiot resurfaces for the purpose of providing absolutely nothing.

Your ignorance is only surpassed by your stupidity.

I'm sure your guy Trump is euphoric that he has dupes like you that will drink the kool aid no matter what.

Shouldn't you be tired of slurping dumbass?

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The Asians in this country have been wearing masks for years in this country.


Must read in Mike North voice.

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