Just so I don't have to read any more 'points' like that ... the Levitical ceremonial laws (including the dietary) don't apply post-Crucifixion. Just accept it as true because I'd sooner discuss this with my cat than on this forum.

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I'm throwing religious grounds out of the window...like this elected public servant should have done.

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Fair enough.

What about the laws on the books that now have her in jail? Those were there prior to her being elected.

Is it also then fair that she is in jail?

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Doesn't the Bible say that you should pay your taxes?

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What is she in jail for?

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So your argument is she should ignore her religious rights because you did to?

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Contempt

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My argument is that her religious beliefs are getting in the way of doing her job as directed by law (which is pretty important, considering she works for the government).

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The Constitution gives her the right to exercise her religious beliefs.

Are you sure that you want to be the guy who gets to throw those rights away?

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I don't think so. Boyd is a Sox fan.

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I believe it is for violating a court order to grant marriage licenses to gay people.

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Do you want to be the guy to make a case for Sharia Law in the US? Your religious rights dont trump the rights of others.

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- Henry George

All things like this do is make me feel so happy that I live in a time where religion continues to have less of a hold on the country.

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I am so glad this country has its government and religion as separate institutions. You see the problems of one religious group trying to impose beliefs on others. There is a big difference between government/civil responsibilities and private religious practice. We need our public institutions, like schools, to be free of religious activities. We also need the government to stay out of the private practice of religion. It seems like a pretty good deal for all.

For Christians, it seems to me that Jesus preached that we should take care of the least among us. I think the lepers are an apt metaphor as ones shunned by the wider society. Why is it that we should use the bible and religion to discriminate against gays? If you choose to believe that your religion is against gay marriage, fine I respect your right to believe that. But it seems to counter to the way Jesus lived his life.

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Where did i say my rights trump anyone's FF?

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Why do her religious beliefs get to trump someone else's civil rights? She was elected to a civil position. Honestly, I wouldn't even care if she were to lecture every gay couple that walked in the door about why it was wrong the cock was going into the ass, or scissoring, whatever, as long as she performed the menial task she was elected, and is obviously overpaid to do.

I have a question. If "god" is perfect, and "god" created everything, and "god" is against being gay, why did it create gays?

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Let's start here.

Who said that her rights trump anyone else's?

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My interpretation of her actions is that she feels her religious rights are more important that other's civil rights.

Let's get this part out of the way...I'm not saying she should resign her position. However, I feel that if she is not willing to follow the law, she should be prepared to sit in jail for the remainder of her elected term. I fully understand that the law was different than the law in place when elected. I'm not disputing that. Elected officials are sworn in and find laws change..it is their responsibility to adapt.

The issue at heart here is that she is a government official that is refusing to perform a duty of her position because she doesn't agree with the change of law. In my opinion, as a civil servant, it is her responsibility to perform her duties, irregardless of her beliefs.

Now, if she were a private citizen, in a position where she would be performing a religious ceremony, by all means, she has every right in the world to refuse to marry a gay couple. She has every right to protest, and to write her congressman, and blog, and vlog, and post annoying gifs, and do whatever else in deference to gay marriage.

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This article does a decent job of pointing out just how little backlash there has actually been to the ruling in some red states.

"In Tennessee, there are 95 counties. All are issuing licenses.
In Mississippi, there 82 counties. All are issuing licenses.
There are 64 parishes in Louisiana. All are issuing licenses.
In Georgia, there are 159 counties. All are issuing licenses.
In Texas, there are 254 counties. All are issuing licenses."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/pl ... al-rarity/

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She shouldn't be forced to perform a duty that was contrary to her faith and not in her job title when she was elected. Nor does she have to be forced.

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Her job title contained language that she was to grant marriage licenses to straight people only?

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We are going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

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Job description would be a better way of saying it.

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Should she get paid to sit in jail?

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I'm unaware of God making anyone gay.

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How has her job description changed?

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So her job description said that she was to grant marriage licenses only to straight people?

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I'm going to text and drive, because there wasn't a law prohibiting it, when I got my license.

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