See this is your new style.

You say something ridiculous "Trump hasnt done anything that is "anti American" you get called on it and then fall back on the "man, you lefties have gone crazy"

No, he's not more anti American than Isis but he has done a "ton of stuff" that could be accurately described as unAmerican.


I don't think the practice of hassling them is a good strategy so no, I wouldnt advocate for that. But let's not stray from the fact that Trump is very anti-American values. The guy wants to be a King/Dictator. It's super clear.

Most presidents like to remain as covert as possible. This guy prefers the overt strategy.

It's a difference between running from headlines, or creating the headlines yourself.

I think we are seeing just how sensitive both sides of the political spectrum are at this point in US history. It's nothing but reaction after reaction.

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You were on a roll until the last two sentences.

You used to be about that "mob of poor people dragging the powerful's severed head down the street"

This is like 1% of that.

I detest both parties, I've wanted a 3rd party~labor~ for as long as i remember. I give Trump a B minus thus far.. What are these pansies gonna do when he gets re elected?

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Through all the studying in college and for my CPA plus the lame training sessions at work about corporate governance and ethics I always discounted the phrase/theory "tone at the top" as mumbo jumbo.

But with Trump the theory fits so perfectly. The dude is a cancer on civil discourse.

War is very miserable. Civil wars are usually even worse.

I read a lot about this stuff in history because its pretty interesting. Correspondence from people actually fighting is often very visceral and real, and the picture they paint is not pleasant. There isn't always food or water, and what you do get often sucks. You're getting bombed, shelled or hunted down CONSTANTLY. In the best of times sleep is elusive, more typically its impossible. Your friends die or get limbs blown off and in civil conflicts often there is no surrender so unless you've got a very organized medical evacuation scheme you basically sit in a trench with your dying friends as they scream away their last 10 or so hours of life.

The modern left cant handle that shit. I cant handle that shit. Nor can you. Its beyond miserable, and really the only way you can motivated to go through with it is if things have gotten intolerably bad (not even close) or your group is in imminent danger of being massacred (not even close).

I'm probably being too easy on him. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if the guy sent a billion dollars in cash to one of our enemies!

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Trump is a leader that is raising fears among MANY in ways that have not been seen in our lifetime, and with the speed of current day information it is generating unexpected (or expected if you believe Trump is doing this on purpose) than ever before.



Agreed civil war is bad and we are not in the state we describe. We are, however, closer than we have been in my and Walt's lifetime. Unfortunately, the guy directing the ship has a tendency to make suggestions that he invites civil war. Elections for the highest office in the land should not be questioned as he does. Even Bush and Gore (which was incredibly bad) was not as crazy as what Trump continues to suggest. That is but one item that he uses to stir his constituency, and enrage his opponents. It's not healthy. One can debate if it is by design.

The owner was wrong. He should have served that fat bitch.

Do you think that the #RESISTANCE is made up of the weak? It's not the struggling masses that are shouting at Trump officials in fine dining restaurants.

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Ecclesiastes 5:8

Yup.

Why turn away a customer that will easily order 4 entrees for themselves?

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Of course civil war would be horrific. I'm not afraid of it myself but don't really want my wife and kids to get raped and murdered. BUT the GOP is playing fast and loose with the constitution, the rule of law, and letting THEIR OWN PRESIDENT take unprecedented steps at consolidating power, using propaganda, creating divisions, undermining the credibility of government institutions, etc.

EXACTLY out of the totalitarian/authoritarian playbook. I mean, this is like Totalitarianism for Dummies and eveyone is just sitting back and letting it happen.

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Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest

literally none of this is true

Oh, my god... name one thing in your daily life that has changed because of Donald Trump. One.

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Who is letting what exactly happen? And what do you want people to do? Remove him from office by force? Then what's the next step hold an election - and keep the coup as an option if we don't like the results?

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

FF and me may be the only sane ones in this thread.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Dozens of lies per day and his red tie army repeats all of it.

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Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest

I see why your brother in law doesn't like coming home.

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And how has it affected you personally? Civil wars don't typically start because you see something you find offensive on TV.

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If there is a civil war, I'm going to have to switch to Team Trump. No offense to team shilib, but that would be an ass beating

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Nah. I'll leave that one be.

Because the President lies a lot? We named an airport after Reagan. If you are worried about authoritarian power would you have been marching against FDR when he tried to take over the Supreme Court during one of his 4 terms? Come on.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

Hell FDR was the fucking architect of the Pearl Harbor attack.

Well here's the thing. Congress has the ability to do something about it. Ryan has flat told people if the Dems take the House that Trump will be impeached. That means he knows there is enough to do it he just won't. We had how many years of hearings that turned up nothing (and they still want to rehash them again) yet won't lift a finger to look at anything this Administration does.

Also there is a Special Counsel. You know, like the one you loved for Slick Willie. If there is no there there, then everybody should calm the fuck down and let Mueller, who by the way was beloved by the GOP until he started actually finding shit on Trump, do his work and report back that Trump is a wonderful law abiding citizen. That's not how anybody in the GOP is acting.

Nobody is suggesting a coup. Nobody, despite JORR's outrage, thinks that Trump isn't POTUS. There are though mechanisms to make sure our laws and Constitution are being followed.

How do you know that WfR loved Bill Clinton's special prosecutor?

Also, what are they going to impeach him for if there is currently no proof he has done anything wrong? Because they don't like him?

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Yeah, them against this dude and legions of Rider Mower Dads who want to fuck their daughters.

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The thing is, most of his lies are ignored by his supporters because there is still a feeling among many people that his statements tell a larger fundamental truth (e.g., the literal lie "the Dems caused this child separation policy" vs. the perceived broader truth "the Dems are the cause of this immigration debacle").

It's similar to the recent cover of Time Magazine. Is the photo literally true? No...Trump was never photographed next to the crying girl, and that specific girl was not even separated from her parents. Does that mean it is completely invalid as a statement? Most reasonable people understand the deeper meaning of the picture (whether they agree with it or not).

Here is an article that I found interesting discussing why Trump's "lies" are basically ignored:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/23/us/p ... trump.html

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