We should definitely do that!

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Ecclesiastes 5:8

Fun read in this thread for a lot of reasons.

Mrs. Post and I just had similar discussions as Young Post started kindergarten this year. The point I always brought up to her is that there are a lot of successful people in the world, a LOT of successful people, and for all measurable purposes none of them went to grade school XXXXXXX.

This is a fun and cool story, but it also has some confirmation bias embedded.

How many times has a graduate of St. Ignatius lost a deal because some public school graduate went with another firm/company/product because he wanted to "stick it to" the rich kid? It most certainly happens, but you never know you lost the deal because of something like that, nobody calls to say "I fucked you on that deal just because you went to high school XXX", but I don't doubt it happens.

When I found out which school reader was affiliated with it was a struggle between liking him more or less.

It was only grammar school . I fled to a proper public HS for 9th grade. A few teachers couldn't believe it. Strangely more of my friends from back then live either overseas or on a coast than here in Chicago.

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That's a fair point. I suppose the banker could have been from a frat that was an arch rival of Sigma Nu, if there is such a thing. I have no idea as I wasn't a Greek. Still, in Chicago, I'd take my chances being on the St. Ignatius side.

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If a kid goes to private school and pulls 4 and 5's on AP exams before being accepted to U of I, Purdue or even Harvard, is the education being paid for worth it then?

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No.

Public schools have AP classes too.

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Is that happening at a lot of public schools?

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Yes.

In my high school and ours was not one of the top ones, there were kids that were taking nearly full loads of AP classes their senior year. I wasn't one of them.

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AP says that about 39% of public school kids take at least one AP exam. 23.5% score a 3 or higher on at least one exam.

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Yes, my wife took all AP classes senior year at her public school. I've mentioned before that she is still butthurt that she didn't make valedictorian because at her school the AP classes weren't weighted higher (At Gordon an A was worth 4.00 but an AP A was either 4.5 or 4.25) and she got beat out by a kid who was in the bonehead program.

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Taking AP classes is not what I'm asking.

I'm asking if kids in the average public school are walking out with between $30 and $50K of college credit?

In our experience, that was a rarity in district 88.



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It happens quite a bit at my alma mater. Not by me though, I had too much fun to catch up on.

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The answer is that yes they are if the school accepts AP credit. It's incredibly common. Why do you think they are taking those classes?

Willowbook high school says that 33% of all students took ap classes with 68% passing at least one AP exam.

High achieving students at public or private schools take AP classes. Why would you think otherwise?

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In the early 80s, I walked out of public high school with sophomore standing. Had 4 AP classes. Was one of the worst students in BC Physics and still pulled a 4 easily. My friends had the same courses but went to private schools and still had to do four years because those schools want their money...

There wasn't really a choice. If you were in the top 10% of your middle school, you were in an AP track. If you were actually brilliant, you took Calculus as a sophomore.

And this was 35+ years ago. Today I would expect that to be standard at any of the suburban upper-middle class districts with enough enrollment to be in 6A or better in football. Not sure about the city.

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My understanding is that while some schools will give you "credit" for AP classes/exams, they don't reduce the credits required for graduation. They just start you in a higher level class.

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It seems like there is a new style of credit that is emerging where the course, materials and teaching are certified as a college class and are accepted as college credit regardless of the score on the AP exam.

I'm not completely clear on this but I think St. Louis University handles the certification and there is a fairly wide and widening group of schools that accept SLU's certification of the course.

So AP may end up being a thing of the past in the next decade. It is starting to look like SAT/ACT will also no longer be required in the near future. I'm not exactly sure how colleges are going to judge students as GPA isn't just unreliable school to school but also within a school depending on the rigor of the course load. Subjectivity is king on campus these days so why shouldn't it be in admissions as well.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.