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Really? Do you think anything I said was not true?

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I wish more Trumpets could be objective in a national crisis. Sad!

Really? Do you think anything I said was not true?


I do. Is this the president's fault? Of course not. Not even close. Was it possible for him to put the wheels in motion in January so we could be more prepared? Yes! Was it possible for him to staff a department who could have been quicker to respond? Yes! Could the president have publicly taken this seriously before last Sunday? Yes!

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I wish more Trumpets could be objective in a national crisis. Sad!

Really? Do you think anything I said was not true?


I do. Is this the president's fault? Of course not. Not even close. Was it possible for him to put the wheels in motion in January so we could be more prepared? Yes! Was it possible for him to staff a department who could have been quicker to respond? Yes! Could the president have publicly taken this seriously before last Sunday? Yes!

Ok. But that's not what I disagreed with. I disagreed on the testing. What I posted about the testing? That's from the CDC and WHO.

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I wish more Trumpets could be objective in a national crisis. Sad!

Really? Do you think anything I said was not true?


I do. Is this the president's fault? Of course not. Not even close. Was it possible for him to put the wheels in motion in January so we could be more prepared? Yes! Was it possible for him to staff a department who could have been quicker to respond? Yes! Could the president have publicly taken this seriously before last Sunday? Yes!

Ok. But that's not what I disagreed with. I disagreed on the testing. What I posted about the testing? That's from the CDC and WHO.


The part about the CDC is false. The WHO test didn't have defects. The CDC's did.

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I wish more Trumpets could be objective in a national crisis. Sad!

Really? Do you think anything I said was not true?


I do. Is this the president's fault? Of course not. Not even close. Was it possible for him to put the wheels in motion in January so we could be more prepared? Yes! Was it possible for him to staff a department who could have been quicker to respond? Yes! Could the president have publicly taken this seriously before last Sunday? Yes!

Ok. But that's not what I disagreed with. I disagreed on the testing. What I posted about the testing? That's from the CDC and WHO.


The part about the CDC is false. The WHO test didn't have defects. The CDC's did.

You weren't reading my posts, sadly.
Question for you, LTG, if the US used the WHO tests, and the WHO couldn't deliver them to underprivileged african countries, what would you honestly say?

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I wish more Trumpets could be objective in a national crisis. Sad!

Really? Do you think anything I said was not true?


I do. Is this the president's fault? Of course not. Not even close. Was it possible for him to put the wheels in motion in January so we could be more prepared? Yes! Was it possible for him to staff a department who could have been quicker to respond? Yes! Could the president have publicly taken this seriously before last Sunday? Yes!

Ok. But that's not what I disagreed with. I disagreed on the testing. What I posted about the testing? That's from the CDC and WHO.


The part about the CDC is false. The WHO test didn't have defects. The CDC's did.

You weren't reading my posts, sadly.
Question for you, LTG, if the US used the WHO tests, and the WHO couldn't deliver them to underprivileged african countries, what would you honestly say?


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Fuck them other n****z ‘cause I’m down for my n****z

I did not expect that.

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Fuck them other n****z ‘cause I’m down for my n****z

I did not expect that.


C-Murder said it, but it fits. Why would he care about blacks in Africa who wouldn't even consider him "one of them" over blacks/people in America?

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Fuck them other n****z ‘cause I’m down for my n****z

I did not expect that.


C-Murder said it, but it fits. Why would he care about blacks in Africa who wouldn't even consider him "one of them" over blacks/people in America?

What is C murder?

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Fuck them other n****z ‘cause I’m down for my n****z

I did not expect that.


C-Murder said it, but it fits. Why would he care about blacks in Africa who wouldn't even consider him "one of them" over blacks/people in America?

What is C murder?


A 90's rapper.

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Darkside wrote:
Nas wrote:
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Fuck them other n****z ‘cause I’m down for my n****z

I did not expect that.


C-Murder said it, but it fits. Why would he care about blacks in Africa who wouldn't even consider him "one of them" over blacks/people in America?

What is C murder?


A 90's rapper.

Ah. In the 90s I just cared about pink floyd and refer.

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Darkside wrote:
Nas wrote:
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Fuck them other n****z ‘cause I’m down for my n****z

I did not expect that.


C-Murder said it, but it fits. Why would he care about blacks in Africa who wouldn't even consider him "one of them" over blacks/people in America?

What is C murder?


A 90's rapper.

Ah. In the 90s I just cared about pink floyd and refer.


I don't know who that is but I'm sure I probably know some lyrics to at least 1 song.

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Darkside wrote:
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Nas wrote:
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I wish more Trumpets could be objective in a national crisis. Sad!

Really? Do you think anything I said was not true?


I do. Is this the president's fault? Of course not. Not even close. Was it possible for him to put the wheels in motion in January so we could be more prepared? Yes! Was it possible for him to staff a department who could have been quicker to respond? Yes! Could the president have publicly taken this seriously before last Sunday? Yes!

Ok. But that's not what I disagreed with. I disagreed on the testing. What I posted about the testing? That's from the CDC and WHO.


The part about the CDC is false. The WHO test didn't have defects. The CDC's did.

You weren't reading my posts, sadly.
Question for you, LTG, if the US used the actual WHO tests, and the WHO couldn't deliver them to underprivileged african countries, what would you honestly say?


With all due respect your posts aren't making sense. They didn't have to use the WHO test. All they had to do was copy it. They also could have outsourced the work to a number of private corps (which they are going to do now). The CDC created a dysfunctional test. WHO did not.

Those 2 things were fairly easy.

The German doctor that created the test for the WHO has pretty much said as much.

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All of what I said about the tests came from the CDC and WHO.

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All of what I said about the tests came from the CDC and WHO.


You also claimed that the same problems afflicting the CDC tests would have afflicted the WHO test. That's falae.

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All of what I said about the tests came from the CDC and WHO.


You also claimed that the same problems afflicting the CDC tests would have afflicted the WHO test. That's falae.

It's not though.
Rangarajan Sampath, the chief scientific officer of the nonprofit Foundation for Innovative New Diagnostics...
Sampath noted that even if the CDC had opted to use another test design, manufacturing errors could have still been a problem.

“No matter which primers they were using,” he said, referring to one component of the test, “they could have had the same issue.”

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]All of what I said about the tests came from the CDC and WHO.
This is false statement. The test that the CDC produced could not detect the difference between the Water and the Virus. That's why they had to call them back
[quote="Darkside"t was not a fault of the test itself. It was a problem with one of the chemicals that go into the test.
If the CDC used the "WHO" design, the same flaw would have been present.[/quote]

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All of what I said about the tests came from the CDC and WHO.

This is false statement. The test that the CDC produced could not detect the difference between the Water and the Virus. That's why they had to call them back

I know. That's why I posted about the problem with the reagent they used initially.
The alternative was taking tests away from countries that cannot afford to do their own internal testing.
Would you have preferred taking tests away from 3rd world countries that relied on the WHO?

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Darkside wrote:
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All of what I said about the tests came from the CDC and WHO.

This is false statement. The test that the CDC produced could not detect the difference between the Water and the Virus. That's why they had to call them back

I know. That's why I posted about the problem with the reagent they used initially.
The alternative was taking tests away from countries that cannot afford to do their own internal testing.
Would you have preferred taking tests away from 3rd world countries that relied on the WHO?


Here is the statement that I wanted to reference. Its false
Darkside wrote:
was not a fault of the test itself. It was a problem with one of the chemicals that go into the test.
If the CDC used the "WHO" design, the same flaw would have been present.

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Darkside wrote:
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Darkside wrote:
All of what I said about the tests came from the CDC and WHO.

This is false statement. The test that the CDC produced could not detect the difference between the Water and the Virus. That's why they had to call them back

I know. That's why I posted about the problem with the reagent they used initially.
The alternative was taking tests away from countries that cannot afford to do their own internal testing.
Would you have preferred taking tests away from 3rd world countries that relied on the WHO?


Here is the statement that I wanted to reference. Its false
[quote="Darkside"t was not a fault of the test itself. It was a problem with one of the chemicals that go into the test.
If the CDC used the "WHO" design, the same flaw would have been present.
[/quote]
Dude. The design was similar. We had a dose of faulty reagent. The test itself was fine. They got bad chemical.
Again, if they copied and pasted the WHO test, which largely they did, the problem would have been the same.
If the WHO chose the us as their vendor, their tests would have been faulty. They chose the german test fortunately, bit it was almost randomly chosen. Just luck.
Dont take my word for it. Read the WHO statement.

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Darkside wrote:
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All of what I said about the tests came from the CDC and WHO.

This is false statement. The test that the CDC produced could not detect the difference between the Water and the Virus. That's why they had to call them back

I know. That's why I posted about the problem with the reagent they used initially.
The alternative was taking tests away from countries that cannot afford to do their own internal testing.
Would you have preferred taking tests away from 3rd world countries that relied on the WHO?


They didn't have to take test away from anyone. All they had to do was use the WHO protocol. They didn't. Has nothing to do with 3ed world countries.

Simply manufactured the same test that WHO uses. Why that so hard for you to understand?

We have the capability to create the exact same test that they have. We don't need to take tests from the WHO. We could have recreated their test.

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Darkside wrote:
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Darkside wrote:
long time guy wrote:
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All of what I said about the tests came from the CDC and WHO.

This is false statement. The test that the CDC produced could not detect the difference between the Water and the Virus. That's why they had to call them back

I know. That's why I posted about the problem with the reagent they used initially.
The alternative was taking tests away from countries that cannot afford to do their own internal testing.
Would you have preferred taking tests away from 3rd world countries that relied on the WHO?


Here is the statement that I wanted to reference. Its false
[quote="Darkside"t was not a fault of the test itself. It was a problem with one of the chemicals that go into the test.
If the CDC used the "WHO" design, the same flaw would have been present.

Dude. The design was similar. We had a dose of faulty reagent. The test itself was fine. They got bad chemical.
Again, if they copied and pasted the WHO test, which largely they did, the problem would have been the same.
If the WHO chose the us as their vendor, their tests would have been faulty. They chose the german test fortunately, bit it was almost randomly chosen. Just luck.
Dont take my word for it. Read the WHO statement.[/quote]
[quote="long time guy] We created a test that couldn't detect the actual virus. Yet you say it was fine. Ok have a good one[/quote]

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All of what I said about the tests came from the CDC and WHO.

This is false statement. The test that the CDC produced could not detect the difference between the Water and the Virus. That's why they had to call them back

I know. That's why I posted about the problem with the reagent they used initially.
The alternative was taking tests away from countries that cannot afford to do their own internal testing.
Would you have preferred taking tests away from 3rd world countries that relied on the WHO?


They didn't have to take test away from anyone. All they had to do was use the WHO protocol. They didn't. Has nothing to do with 3ed world countries.

Simply manufactured the same test that WHO uses. Why that so hard for you to understand?

We have the capability to create the exact same test that they have. We don't need to take tests from the WHO. We could have recreated their test.

We did dude. One chemical was faulty. Just google it I'm done.

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Darkside wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Darkside wrote:
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Darkside wrote:
All of what I said about the tests came from the CDC and WHO.

This is false statement. The test that the CDC produced could not detect the difference between the Water and the Virus. That's why they had to call them back

I know. That's why I posted about the problem with the reagent they used initially.
The alternative was taking tests away from countries that cannot afford to do their own internal testing.
Would you have preferred taking tests away from 3rd world countries that relied on the WHO?


They didn't have to take test away from anyone. All they had to do was use the WHO protocol. They didn't. Has nothing to do with 3ed world countries.

Simply manufactured the same test that WHO uses. Why that so hard for you to understand?

We have the capability to create the exact same test that they have. We don't need to take tests from the WHO. We could have recreated their test.

We did dude. One chemical was faulty. Just google it I'm done.


ANother victim of LTG's insane desire to argue like a guy hitting a ping pong ball against a wall. He has to be right if only in his dopey mind. The WHO is a fraud laden organization,even worse than the United Nations.

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Poor Darko. Many have fell before him to the protected asshole.


Remember when this bigoted piece of shit stated (for the 50th time) that he was going to ignore me?

Each time I have held up my end of the bargain. Each time his racism and hatred of blacks has gotten the best of his bigoted ass. I know that he will never be able to help himself. Just like I have always known that he and Hawk had more in common than simply Military service.

For the record no one here needs to protect me from shit you depressed piece of shit. I have been taking care of myself for a long time.

You are a miserable asshole that really needs a life and if I have done anything I took the scab off your bigoted ass. Too bad there is nothing you can do about your hatred you bigoted biitch

Now go whine again and try to get me banned. Better yet pat pat yourself on the back and convince yourself that it's the "alcohol" or that you're trolling.

Anything that helps ease the pain you miserable sack of shit.

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Poor Darko. Many have fell before him to the protected asshole.


Remember when this bigoted piece of shit stated (for the 50th time) that he was going to ignore me?

Each time I have held up my end of the bargain. Each time his racism and hatred of blacks has gotten the best of his bigoted ass. I know that he will never be able to help himself. Just like I have always known that he and Hawk had more in common than simply Military service.

For the record no one here needs to protect me from shit you depressed piece of shit. I have been taking care of myself for a long time.

You are a miserable asshole that really needs a life and if I have done anything I took the scab off your bigoted ass. Too bad there is nothing you can do about your hatred you bigoted biitch

Now go whine again and try to get me banned. Better yet pat pat yourself on the back and convince yourself that it's the "alcohol" or that you're trolling.

Anything that helps ease the pain you miserable sack of shit.


Typical response from LTG. Disagree with him and you are a bigoted piece of shit, a depressed piece of shit, a miserable asshole, a bigoted biitch, a racist and a hater of blacks and last but not least a miserable sack of shit. He also then makes an equivocation about these stupid declarations and two guys who had served in the military honorably. But of course, LTG can get away with this kind of diatribe but I'd say that if a white person did a similar thing that he would be banned by the great protector above, Crest.

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That this isn't an actual global emergency...
That this is just a made up crisis or a "hoax"...


Keep fighting the good fight, people. You'll eventually prove yourself right when you yourself don't die, or even get seriously sick.


In my day to day personal and work life, I'm down to 2 actual people that still think is some overblown, "30,000 people die from the flu every year" thing. That number has gone way down in the last week.....

I'm not sure of the upside of being one of the last holdouts to accepting science and medicine on something like this, but in a strange way...I admire your persistence.

It seems like we have more people finally realizing “holy shit, this virus is actually serious” since we started this specific discussion. Not only on this board, but in the world in general.

It’s not “the flu”. All of us should be doing our part to stop the spread of this as much as we can.

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 Post subject: Re: The Holdouts!!
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You know...the ones who still think this thing isn't real...
That this isn't an actual global emergency...
That this is just a made up crisis or a "hoax"...


Keep fighting the good fight, people. You'll eventually prove yourself right when you yourself don't die, or even get seriously sick.


In my day to day personal and work life, I'm down to 2 actual people that still think is some overblown, "30,000 people die from the flu every year" thing. That number has gone way down in the last week.....

I'm not sure of the upside of being one of the last holdouts to accepting science and medicine on something like this, but in a strange way...I admire your persistence.

It seems like we have more people finally realizing “holy shit, this virus is actually serious” since we started this specific discussion. Not only on this board, but in the world in general.

It’s not “the flu”. All of us should be doing our part to stop the spread of this as much as we can.


Nothing has changed. Everyone still believes that it's serious and that the response is stupid. Since your last visit even more actually believe that the response is stupid.

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 Post subject: Re: The Holdouts!!
PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:53 pm 
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I don't think the question has been if this is real or not the question is has our response been appropriate. I don't think it has. How many people in your district/community are sick? Is your nearby hospital overwhelmed?


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