What I'm saying is actually the opposite.

You often start with a false premise, as you have done again here, then try and build an argument back from there. You are far from the only person here that does that.

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http://www.foryourmarriage.org/everymar ... -violence/

Domestic violence and the permanence of marriage

Some abused women believe that Catholic Church teaching on the permanence of marriage requires them to stay in an abusive relationship. They may hesitate to seek a separation or divorce. They may fear that they cannot re-marry in the Catholic Church.

In When I Call for Help: A Pastoral Response to Domestic Violence Against Women, the Catholic bishops emphasize that “no person is expected to stay in an abusive marriage.” Violence and abuse, not divorce, break up a marriage. The abuser has already broken the marriage covenant through his or her abusive behavior. Abused persons who have divorced may want to investigate the possibility of seeking an annulment.

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To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

You choose to believe things about the Catholic Church when in actuality, you WERE taught something different.

I don't why these women believe what they do.

And an annulment is not the same thing as a divorce.

Once again you were taught that already and continue to be obstinate. Your ignorance is vincible, and culpable.

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No I'm not Seacrest. I'm showing how silly your argument here is. It doesn't matter how many facts or translations any of us put out there for you, you will keep digging to find an older one that supports your point of view. You just proved it your last post to MD which I will translate for the class: "What you were taught is wrong because I said so" You can be as confident in your personal beliefs as you want. Just don't sit on here and patronize and look down upon those who's beliefs don't line up exactly with your VERY narrow definition of the way things ought to be interpreted.

If you want to keep going back back back (tm Chris Berman), the paintings on the walls of the caves didn't have Moses in them, so I guess the OT is made up fan fiction too. If you really want to go back to the beginnings of things.

I'm not arguing with you. And your summation of what I am doing and your response to it actually involves two false premises.

1( I'm not arguing with you, or MD.
2) That there is an endless supply of older versions to support a viewpoint

Let's go back to the beginning.

There was or is an original to everything. Bibles, cars, McDonalds etc. Do you dispute or deny this reality?

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I've acknowledged that reality.

Do you accept that no matter how far back you dig in history to prove your point, that your point of view may not be shared by the majority of people and may actually be incorrect?

What point are you referring to?

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Don't play dumb Seacrest. I'm discussion this with you in a reasonable manner. Playing stupid and trying to confuse the issue is one of your favorite games. Not falling for it.

Oh and aren't you one of those guys that gets mad at me when I answer a question with a question. Mirrors man.

A divorce is a dissolution of a marriage according to the law. An annulment is the Catholic church agreeing that the marriage was invalid. An annulment can be granted to a divorced couple. Annulment in a civil sense is typically limited to the first few months of marriage with the basis being some part of the marriage agreement was a fraud. So someone could in theory be legally divorced, but given an annulment by the church.

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To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

The point of view of the Catholic Church is independent of me. I choose to believe it. It does not need my, nor any other persons ascent.
No one can rationally disagree that it is a viewpoint not shared by all.

If there exists an original version,and we have agreed there is one, then there is an original interpretation of said version. In this case, an interpretation that has not changed over time.

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I understand you supporting the teachings of the Catholic church. I also understand that there are a lot of Christians and Christian denominations that have broken away from the Catholic church and for reasons I understand clearly.

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To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

If you don't even understand what you are being told and are unwilling to question it, then perhaps you could cast less judgements about the behavior of others and look into the origins of your own.

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I'm sorry man but I gotta WYC you on that one. You have never once dared question the teachings on the Catholic Church on here. You regurgitate exactly what the tell you and get pissy when any of us challenge you on them.

You are the one who has issues of being unwilling to question things.

Mcnown is dominating this thread.

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You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

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Would you care to go into more detail? Or is this the part where you wave the white flag and resort to vague nonsense.

You have made a mistaken judgement about someone you don't know, have never met and are not likely to ever meet.

That's not vague nonsense. That's direct nonsense.

But in all fairness to you, thanks for stopping by and helping me to prove my point to MD.

I think BF is making comments about the POTUS in the politics section. Carry on if you wish.

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You're right Seacrest. I don't know you. No more than your dig that I should leave this thread and go argue with Biggie about Obama (Biggie also getting pantsed BTW) which you make having never met me before.

But what we do know is your posting on here. And that posting is 100% vehemently opposed to any interpretation of religion that doesn't fall in line with your Catholicism. Now you have been backed into a corner so you are resorting to doing anything you can to get me to shut up.

Just admit that you have failed in this quest and move on to the next one. Biggie could use some help convincing us the shutdown is Obama's fault if you need a place to go.

Thanks again for making the point to MD that I was hoping he would find on his own.

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VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope Francis has ordered the German Roman Catholic prelate known as the "luxury bishop" for spending some 31 million euros ($42.70 million) on a residence to leave his diocese for an unspecified period, the Vatican said on Wednesday.

The move, just short of a resignation, was taken against Bishop Franz-Peter Tebartz-van Elst of Limburg two days after he met the pope to discuss the scandal in the German Church at a time when the pontiff is stressing the importance of humility and serving the poor.

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I guess he is truly walking the walk not just talking the talk. Seems this one is what they need at this time.

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Elections have consequences.

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Apparently the new pope is a commie.
In the first major written work of his papacy, Pope Francis attacked unfettered capitalism as "a new tyranny," urging global leaders to fight poverty and growing inequality.

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"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014

IIRC, that's what got John Paul I in trouble.

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There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.

He died of natural causes......

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So was Jesus.

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all very nice and good. how bout we lead by example and start empowering women in the church?

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Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest

read Acts and you will see that the apostles were as well

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Communism;

a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.


I don't think so fellas.

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