What the hell? That couldn't make less sense.


Yeah, I'm not tracking here. I don't read any of that into the ruling at all.

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It's a slippery-slope to start granting exemptions to things based on religion. Anyone with any view can be a "religion." My religion could be the Church of LSD. Are they going to make LSD legal for me?

Though in this case, I will stop short of saying a right was taken away. The people can still buy the BC. It's just not covered under their insurance.

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Maybe Seacrest can shed some light on this.

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Obamacare was law though. They were granted the right that birth control would be provided by employee insurance. That is where that comes.

No one is saying that the right to buy birth control has been lost. The right to have your employer be required to provide it in the insurance coverage you and your employer pay for.

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Plan B I think I get, at least from the POV of Catholics... as it's tantamount to chemical abortion?

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I think I agree with you; I just wouldn't call it a "right." That word has too many connotations.

I would say they were granted a benefit that was given to all Americans under the law, and now a specific group has unfairly had that benefit taken away while the rest of society keeps theirs.

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I can understand that, but the Supreme Court made it clear that it is a right to not have to contribute to contraceptive care, so I don't consider it a leap to say that someone lost the right to have their employer contribute to contraceptive care.

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So you guys are cool then with a Muslim woman wearing a hijab in her drivers licence photo covering her face then right?

Because she shouldn't be forced to not follow her religions customs because of the law...

In a Catholics eyes maybe it is tantamount to just that.

Anyways, according to some legal beagles on this site the majority of birth control is still covered. Plan B and that class (2-3 others) of birth control is what was being objected to. Apparently the female can still get the pill and such.

So maybe we should stop painting the broad brush.

You and Rick agree. Isn't that sweet?

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Right. I said that several pages back. It was about specific types that the Greene family considered to the the same as abortion.

From what I can tell the owners are not Catholic but evangelical or something. So your confusion over their decisions may be confused by what Catholics preach about birth control.

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After 9 pages of Seacrest I don't see how ANYBODY would think that this is a Catholic lawsuit.

He chose a bad example though.

It's pretty clear that a drivers license is not a right unless you follow the rules.

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Nor does Hobby Lobby have an issue buying cheap goods from China, where there are many state forced abortions.

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Good point by you.

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Ultimately though, and I don't think this can be stressed enough, this is one of many alarming rulings where corporations are given way too much power. It's scary to think that we are now in a time period where corporate executives and owners are able to extend personal protections to corporations which are literally designed to separate the private assets and lives of owners. I can only imagine how excited the Chik-Fil-A guy is with where this type of thing is going.

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Serious question. If I'm not satisfied with certain specific aspects of the health care my employer and I pay into, which I agree to under the umbrella of my employment, I can... as an individual, demand changes to the overall policy based on my specific "requirements"? It seems like the original theme of this particular aspect of the ACA was trying to impose this. I know I'm stupid, but am I crazy?!?

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Of course. A lot of these "religious" arguments occur that way. They like to make a big political issue out of things and contest that they are "principled," but they're only principled to the extent that they can benefit.

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I think that's the best way of putting it.

Thank you. I've always enjoyed your work.

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Rick I really get where you go with this but your real target should have been a few years back when they ruled on political spending limits. That is when corps became "people".

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As far as I can tell Plan B works by delaying ovulation/preventing fertilization of an egg and does not destroy one that is already fertilized. Maybe a board MD can correct me, but I don't see what religious freedom is being violated by being required to provide a pill that does that.

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The policy I have is very restrictive on allocation of eye care funding. Is this discriminating people who don't want to wear glasses, but contact lenses are comfortable?

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Ok so then on a State issued ID. In a state that has a Voter ID law

Can these poor employees of Hobby Lobby opt.out of their company mandated health care and register for the ACA? Seems like that could solve all of this acrimony...

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I don't get why this is even an issue as neither an IUD or Plan B destroys a fertilized egg. If a life isn't being terminated by these things how is the subject of religious freedom even broached here? I seriously cannot fathom how and no one seems to be able to explain it to me.

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My health care will pay for glasses but not contacts. I may be over simplifying this issue, but it strikes me as a valid comparison. Your (hypothetical) form of birth control isn't covered under your company's policy. In my world... to bad, so sad. If I'm that adamant, maybe I shouldn't be working for a company so diametrically opposite to my world view...

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