Yeah, there isn't a big difference between the two. Stafford is better, but both of them need great defenses and great surrounding offensive talent to go anywhere. Both will make soul crushing turnovers in big spots as well.

If you look at the history of QB's drafted in the 1st round, it's 50/50 at best that a QB you draft with a 1st round pick will be as good as or better than Cousins/Stafford, probably closer to 30 to 40% shot of success. vs trading a 1st round pick for a QB who has a definite ceiling below greatness but also is certain to be able to be your starter immediately and for several seasons going forward. So it's a no-brainer that most any NFL franchise with a need at QB would be willing to send out a 1st round pick to bring back a QB of Stafford/Cousins caliber (absent better alternatives).

The problem is what the Rams already had in Goff wasn't so dramatically worse than what they paid 2 first round picks + sent out Goff and a 3rd round pick to replace. Goff early on in his career might've fetched a 1st round pick on the trade market. After his last Rams season you're probably getting a 2nd rounder in return for Goff. Maybe a 2nd and a later round pick. So the Rams essentially paid 2 1st round picks and the 3rd round pick + the value of Goff on the trade market, so 2 firsts, 1 second and a third+.





They paid Rodgers/Wilson price for a player who, it turns out, is closer to Goff and Garoppolo in value than Rodgers and Wilson. If SF or whomever were willing to overpay for Stafford, let em have it. Let them screw over their franchise going forward by overpaying for Stafford.

If Stafford were significantly better than Goff/Garoppolo McVay wouldn't have had to roll out a Goff/Garoppolo game play Monday night against the Cardinals. Pound the run, limit Stafford's throws and when Stafford did throw McVay made sure to run plays designed to clear out the defense and give Stafford easy, high percentage of success throws.

Shanahan was probably never even serious about trading for Stafford, he probably just said he'd match the Rams offer to drive up the price and fuck over McVay.

That's true on the t/o. But I don't think the Rams had much choice. They weren't getting to the Super Bowl with Goff and there's less hand holding with Stafford. Who else do they get, top tier, for two first rounders? Realistically?

They’ve already been to the Super Bowl with Goff

They’ve already been to the Super Bowl with Goff

Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.

Im not even sure what we are disagreeing about anymore.

Is Stafford a top 10 qb this year?
Is Goff a bottom 5 scrub?
Are the Lions a top 3 terrible team?
Did the Rams just win the toughest division in the NFL?

No
No
Yes
Yes

The argument is very clear to any literate person who’s followed this thread. Lets at least cut the bullshit “i dont even know what we are arguing” posts from here on out, cool?

Tannenbaum pretty much agrees with 312 fwiw.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32071373/nfl-quarterback-rankings-2021-how-all-32-teams-qbs-stack-weekly-big-takeaways

We’ve covered Tannenbaum before. In fact, I think we’ve had this exact exchange before lol.

We’ll find out a lot this weekend.

The crisis consists precisely in the fact that the old is dying and the new cannot be born; in this interregnum a great variety of morbid symptoms appear.

I'm finding the LA-TB game very hard to pick. Tampa looked very beatable against Philly, but who can trust LA at this point?

Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.

Brady not going out losing to Stafford. Losing to Rodgers in the Conference Finals much more palatable last game.

The crisis consists precisely in the fact that the old is dying and the new cannot be born; in this interregnum a great variety of morbid symptoms appear.

If Stafford were significantly better than Goff/Garoppolo McVay wouldn't have had to roll out a Goff/Garoppolo game play Monday night against the Cardinals. Pound the run, limit Stafford's throws and when Stafford did throw McVay made sure to run plays designed to clear out the defense and give Stafford easy, high percentage of success throws.

Shanahan was probably never even serious about trading for Stafford, he probably just said he'd match the Rams initial offer to drive up the price and fuck over McVay.

How many throws do you think they call for Stafford this weekend?

Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.

How many throws do you think they call for Stafford this weekend?

No
No
Yes
Yes

The argument is very clear to any literate person who’s followed this thread. Lets at least cut the bullshit “i dont even know what we are arguing” posts from here on out, cool?

Please share your top 10 QB for this year. No argument Stafford isn't top 5, but he is for sure top 10 this year. Not even a debate.

Rodgers
Brady
Mahomes
Allen
Russell
Herbert
Burrow
Lamar
Carr
Kyler (yes even after that horrendous playoff game)

are all QBs Id rather have than Stafford

That wasn't the question though. Stafford was better than some of those guys this year.

Rodgers
Brady
Mahomes
Allen
Russell
Herbert
Burrow
Lamar
Carr
Kyler (yes even after that horrendous playoff game)

are all QBs Id rather have than Stafford