Berniebroism

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GO BEARS!!!

Yes, the notorious social conservative Bernie Sanders. I'm sure you've got a real Cheshire cat grin on this one.

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Yeah I really dont know how that one started. Bernie Sanders supporters are in such a race to out-righteousness each other on social issues it probably torpedoed his campaign.

If Bernie's volunteers were these snarling Third Positionist shock troops, we may have won. I don't know. We didn't win with reedy-voiced guys with blue hair, that's for sure.

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Who would have known that a movement built mostly around lazy people, who think they're smarter than they are, and who spend most of their time yelling at and trying to shame people online wasn't a winning strategy? I'm absolutely shocked.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

Nas you have correctly surmised why the democrats are basically barred from controlling government for the foreseeable future.

But I'm not a Bernie Bro...

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

Finally there is someone with a half reasonable thought in this thread

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

I have been pretty clear that I generally vote Republican or abstain to a given candidate. I voted Libertarian for president twice when McCain and Trump were running.

My biggest issues are always economic, so I lean Republican in my voting patterns. But in my ideal world the federal government is pretty much there for defense and foreign policy leaving the rest to state and local governments. Also, while a free market advocate, I am also socially liberal including things like abortion rights, drug legalization, free speech, and restrictions on police activities.

I view these positions as believing in small government on both social and economic matters.

Now as to the other question by RFDC, how would a Libertarian respond? I can’t speak for them. They tend to be idealistic. I am a pragmatist. So how would I respond? I would not bail out big business. If anything, I would set up special federal bankruptcy courts to quickly reorganize big business failures like the airlines. Unfortunately, I would let the Federal Reserve support the money markets because it would be the end of everything if the bond funding markets collapsed. I would boost the states by sending federal money for healthcare and unemployment insurance. I’d want unemployment benefits to close to replicate the income loss of laid off workers. There would have to be loan support for small businesses probably through the SBA. I’d be stuck working in the current system.

Once this shit is done, I would mandate a balanced budget and begin to whittle down the insanity of our debt. I would also look to reduce the Fed’s balance sheet to get them out of the monetization business.

I would never be elected and certainly lose at the next election. Very few in this country want a balanced budget which means higher taxes and less spending.

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Hawaii (fuck) You

Just in the first page of this thread alone, people said there would only be “a couple thousand deaths” total.

That number will be long gone by this weekend, and we’re just getting started.
There will more than that on NY and Louisiana combined by next week.

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How many are you expecting to die?

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GO BEARS!!!

A lot. It’s real.

You?

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The Gov of Mississippi is doing his part to make sure those numbers increase.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/25/nyregion/nyc-coronavirus-hospitals.html?0p19G=3248

I'm going to say this is worse than the flu.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

It's obviously worse than a typical flu. But here's a question. How many people die in a typical day at a New York hospital?

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Ecclesiastes 5:8

Like I said before, hospitalization rate is much more important than the current mortality rate. This virus is brutal for hospitalization rate right now.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

In certain places that's clearly true. I'm just asking if that headline might be a bit sensational and designed to drive fear. Is 13 deaths an uncommonly high number for a New York hospital on a typical day? Is that a "bloodbath"? Or is it simply a consequence of a hospital being a place where a lot of people that are close to death are congregated? Obviously, if the story was that 13 died at a Cub game, that would be a real story. I'm just not sure how much of a story this actually is.

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Ecclesiastes 5:8

I think it's a good question. I would guess it on the high side given the need for refrigeration trucks to deal with them.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Cuomo was saying yesterday that the hospital rates were decreasing each day this week

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

Yes RFDC, I also saw a couple channels allude to NYC slowing down while saying it isn't over certainly. Is that not the case even with the sensational morgue news?

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Elections have consequences.

I fall somewhere between spanky and JLN. Like JLN I consider liberty a higher value than safety. This is a once in four generations event though. I think extraordinary measures are appropriate.

While I don't think Trump's leadership has been great (Although pieces like the one posted by Golden Jet where a guy asked his intelligence community friend what his biggest fear was and the guy responded, "a bat borne virus escaping a lab in Wuhan that spreads like wildfire and for which our incompetent POTUS is ill prepared" are about as believable as Jussie Smollett), the president deserves kudos for the light touch he has brought to the "lockdown" which isn't really a lockdown at all. Governors have pretty much adopted that light touch. The National Guard isn't herding people into their homes. The orders being issued are more in the vein of, "Come on, guys, we all have to beat this thing together" rather than any kind of liberty busting totalitarianism. And I say this as someone who thinks Pritzker's closing of bars and restaurants was due to a fit of pique rather than a well considered decision. But sometimes you just get lucky. And if you look at the Illinois numbers vis-a-vis New York, maybe we have. I'd rather have a governor who is lucky than good.

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Ecclesiastes 5:8

I'm looking for an actual number.

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GO BEARS!!!

Hang on, JORR.

Kudos to Trump for his "light touch" lockdown , which really isn't a lockdown, while acknowledging this is a once in 4 generation event where extraordinary measures are called for?

Do you think the Pritzker's "luck" is linked to the shelter in place order?

This is the first time I've watched the news since probably 911. I've been watching DTV channel 200 which has a 4 split screen mix of CNN, FOX News, MSNBC and BBC. You can highlight any of them to hear the sound. Been going back and forth for a couple weeks now. As someone who has never watched any of these news shows before the impression I've gotten is that Tucker Carlson is the only media person out there who isn't a biased idiot. He seems to be the only newscaster who cares more about stopping the virus than promoting his own political agenda.

This is coming from someone who has never experienced any of these media stars until this came up, although I do remember Anderson Cooper from his time hosting the Mole.

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What I mean by luck is, I don't think JB Pritzker made an informed decision to shut down bars and restaurants when he did so after March 14. He just got mad and acted like a spoiled brat who demanded his way. The fact that it has turned out to have been a good decision doesn't change the way he arrived at it.

There clearly would have been less deaths if Trump had rolled tanks through the streets and demanded everyone remain at home starting back in January. If he had done such a thing, do you think Brian Stetler would be lauding his leadership or calling him Joe Stalin? I'm pretty sure we all know the answer to that.

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Ecclesiastes 5:8

But it didn't even have to be that extreme for it to have had an effect.

If Trump simply had taken this seriously from day one, and accepted the WHO test kits, the USA would be in much better shape with regard to this virus. Not saying that things would be normal and that Opening Day would go on today like usual, but there probably wouldn't be as many cases or deaths, and we might be nearing an end to all of this stay at home stuff. Instead, he acted like he usually does and put the lives and livelihoods of countless Americans in danger.

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Pointing out things others should consider, but don't want to hear. Where folks who tossed away due process, all of sudden realize their rights may be at risk.

Welcome to the Trumpets pal.

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How could 13 deaths overwhelm a local morgue? Seems there were capacity issues before this all began.

I guess I haven't watched enough news cause I have no idea what you're trying to say.

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