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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 11:22 am 
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the polls always under-predicted for Trump and over predicted for Hillary (Bernie kept winning when he wasn't supposed to)


"It wasn't me, it was the numbers, the numberrrssssss," cried Nate Tin as he sputtered away like a deflating untied balloon.

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At some point Trump has to show that he can be President. He really is running a terrible campaign.

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His campaign has been terrible except for one simple fact- he is garnering endless free media attention.

If anyone else said

paraphrasing:

"Mexicans are drug dealers and rapists."

or

"Ban all Muslims."

or

"The judge in Indiana can't give me a fair trial because he is Mexican American."

It would be game over instantly.

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His campaign has been terrible except for one simple fact- he is garnering endless free media attention.

If anyone else said

paraphrasing:

"Mexicans are drug dealers and rapists."

or

"Ban all Muslims."

or

"The judge in Indiana can't give me a fair trial because he is Mexican American."

It would be game over instantly.


John McCain isn't a war hero but he did everything he could to avoid a war. There is a long list of shit he has said that would have been suicide for anyone else.

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denisdman wrote:
His campaign has been terrible except for one simple fact- he is garnering endless free media attention.

If anyone else said

paraphrasing:

"Mexicans are drug dealers and rapists."

or

"Ban all Muslims."

or

"The judge in Indiana can't give me a fair trial because he is Mexican American."

It would be game over instantly.


John McCain isn't a war hero but he did everything he could to avoid a war. There is a long list of shit he has said that would have been suicide for anyone else.


He also lies about everything. The Blueprint for every candidate going forward will be Washington is fucked up thus you should vote for me. You will have a greater than fighting chance as long as they can't tie you to Washington politics.

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Funny you mention McCain, I voted Libertarian that year.

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Good question. I don't think her controversies change the perception of her among the general populace. They are mainly fodder to rile up the hard right. Her problem is that the majority of the public view her in a negative light (Trump has the exact same issue).

Even as a person who would never vote for a Democrat, I don't understand the hatred of her. But I have had many heated arguments with family members who accuse me of being a Liberal. I had an Aunt scream at me that voting Libertarian will help elect a murderer (I assume a Benghazi reference).

Ultimately, I want what's best for this country. I think Hillary is a safer bet than Trump, so I kind of hope she wins. But I still have to vote based on my political leanings for who I think the best candidate is, and that happens to be a Libertarian. I did that once before when McCain ran.


Denis, we're glad to have you on team Johnson. Get a sign in your yard!

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Nas wrote:
denisdman wrote:
His campaign has been terrible except for one simple fact- he is garnering endless free media attention.

If anyone else said

paraphrasing:

"Mexicans are drug dealers and rapists."

or

"Ban all Muslims."

or

"The judge in Indiana can't give me a fair trial because he is Mexican American."

It would be game over instantly.


John McCain isn't a war hero but he did everything he could to avoid a war. There is a long list of shit he has said that would have been suicide for anyone else.


He also lies about everything. The Blueprint for every candidate going forward will be Washington is fucked up thus you should vote for me. You will have a greater than fighting chance as long as they can't tie you to Washington politics.


He's Teflon Don. I have never seen someone lie the way he does without being held accountable.

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Nas wrote:
denisdman wrote:
His campaign has been terrible except for one simple fact- he is garnering endless free media attention.

If anyone else said

paraphrasing:

"Mexicans are drug dealers and rapists."

or

"Ban all Muslims."

or

"The judge in Indiana can't give me a fair trial because he is Mexican American."

It would be game over instantly.


John McCain isn't a war hero but he did everything he could to avoid a war. There is a long list of shit he has said that would have been suicide for anyone else.


He also lies about everything. The Blueprint for every candidate going forward will be Washington is fucked up thus you should vote for me. You will have a greater than fighting chance as long as they can't tie you to Washington politics.


He's Teflon Don. I have never seen someone lie the way he does without being held accountable.


That's what I fear will be the biggest fallout from the election: the complete loss of trust and honesty. Future candidates will not fear loss of credibility.

I heard Trump supporters say (in response to the plagiarism), "are 50 borrowed words more important than thousands of deleted e-mails?" Well, in a way, yes. Truth has become a casualty.

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denisdman wrote:
Good question. I don't think her controversies change the perception of her among the general populace. They are mainly fodder to rile up the hard right. Her problem is that the majority of the public view her in a negative light (Trump has the exact same issue).

Even as a person who would never vote for a Democrat, I don't understand the hatred of her. But I have had many heated arguments with family members who accuse me of being a Liberal. I had an Aunt scream at me that voting Libertarian will help elect a murderer (I assume a Benghazi reference).

Ultimately, I want what's best for this country. I think Hillary is a safer bet than Trump, so I kind of hope she wins. But I still have to vote based on my political leanings for who I think the best candidate is, and that happens to be a Libertarian. I did that once before when McCain ran.


Denis, we're glad to have you on team Johnson. Get a sign in your yard!


What does Gary Johnson think about pieces of shit who don't pay their debts?

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denisdman wrote:
Good question. I don't think her controversies change the perception of her among the general populace. They are mainly fodder to rile up the hard right. Her problem is that the majority of the public view her in a negative light (Trump has the exact same issue).

Even as a person who would never vote for a Democrat, I don't understand the hatred of her. But I have had many heated arguments with family members who accuse me of being a Liberal. I had an Aunt scream at me that voting Libertarian will help elect a murderer (I assume a Benghazi reference).

Ultimately, I want what's best for this country. I think Hillary is a safer bet than Trump, so I kind of hope she wins. But I still have to vote based on my political leanings for who I think the best candidate is, and that happens to be a Libertarian. I did that once before when McCain ran.


Denis, we're glad to have you on team Johnson. Get a sign in your yard!


I used to do the yard sign and bumper sticker thing. I also worked for several campaigns. My active political days are done. I just sit back and enjoy now. People get too upset with folks that disagree with them. Half my neighbors would love me, and the other half would hate me.

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What does Gary Johnson think about pieces of shit who don't pay their debts?


It took me a second to pick up on why you're asking...


But like any good freedom loving Libertarian, he would suggest you enforce your contractual rights through the courts.

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I used to do the yard sign and bumper sticker thing. I also worked for several campaigns. My active political days are done. I just sit back and enjoy now. People get too upset with folks that disagree with them. Half my neighbors would love me, and the other half would hate me.


You know, I'm trying to defer to the better angels of my nature, but you are not making it easy...

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denisdman wrote:
Good question. I don't think her controversies change the perception of her among the general populace. They are mainly fodder to rile up the hard right. Her problem is that the majority of the public view her in a negative light (Trump has the exact same issue).

Even as a person who would never vote for a Democrat, I don't understand the hatred of her. But I have had many heated arguments with family members who accuse me of being a Liberal. I had an Aunt scream at me that voting Libertarian will help elect a murderer (I assume a Benghazi reference).

Ultimately, I want what's best for this country. I think Hillary is a safer bet than Trump, so I kind of hope she wins. But I still have to vote based on my political leanings for who I think the best candidate is, and that happens to be a Libertarian. I did that once before when McCain ran.


Denis, we're glad to have you on team Johnson. Get a sign in your yard!


I used to do the yard sign and bumper sticker thing. I also worked for several campaigns. My active political days are done. I just sit back and enjoy now. People get too upset with folks that disagree with them. Half my neighbors would love me, and the other half would hate me.


I never did bumper stickers, but still do signs. You & I may have worked on some of the same campaigns together. It's been a few years since I worked one, although I may work on a local campaign soon. Only idiots get upset with people who disagree with them. My next door neighbor had a Quinn sign in his yard when I had a Rauner sign in mine. We get along great. Defining people by their politics is just dumb.

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Stone, who said he talks with Trump from time to time, most recently last Saturday, also had some choice comments for Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, who ran a fierce campaign against Trump in the GOP primary. “If it were up to me, ‘Fat Dracula’ would not be speaking tonight,” Stone said of Cruz, who is speaking Wednesday at the RNC. “I speak only for myself. He called me much worse,” he added.

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denisdman wrote:
Good question. I don't think her controversies change the perception of her among the general populace. They are mainly fodder to rile up the hard right. Her problem is that the majority of the public view her in a negative light (Trump has the exact same issue).

Even as a person who would never vote for a Democrat, I don't understand the hatred of her. But I have had many heated arguments with family members who accuse me of being a Liberal. I had an Aunt scream at me that voting Libertarian will help elect a murderer (I assume a Benghazi reference).

Ultimately, I want what's best for this country. I think Hillary is a safer bet than Trump, so I kind of hope she wins. But I still have to vote based on my political leanings for who I think the best candidate is, and that happens to be a Libertarian. I did that once before when McCain ran.


Denis, we're glad to have you on team Johnson. Get a sign in your yard!


I used to do the yard sign and bumper sticker thing. I also worked for several campaigns. My active political days are done. I just sit back and enjoy now. People get too upset with folks that disagree with them. Half my neighbors would love me, and the other half would hate me.


I never did bumper stickers, but still do signs. You & I may have worked on some of the same campaigns together. It's been a few years since I worked one, although I may work on a local campaign soon. Only idiots get upset with people who disagree with them. My next door neighbor had a Quinn sign in his yard when I had a Rauner sign in mine. We get along great. Defining people by their politics is just dumb.


I define you as a weasel, who doesn't pay his debts.

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I used to do the yard sign and bumper sticker thing. I also worked for several campaigns. My active political days are done. I just sit back and enjoy now. People get too upset with folks that disagree with them. Half my neighbors would love me, and the other half would hate me.


You know, I'm trying to defer to the better angels of my nature, but you are not making it easy...


Just ignore me. It's for your own sanity. BTW, I appreciate the effort.

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I never did bumper stickers, but still do signs. You & I may have worked on some of the same campaigns together. It's been a few years since I worked one, although I may work on a local campaign soon. Only idiots get upset with people who disagree with them. My next door neighbor had a Quinn sign in his yard when I had a Rauner sign in mine. We get along great. Defining people by their politics is just dumb.


Yeah it's dumb for sure. But I have enough of these dumb conversations with my family. A guy down the street installed one of those tall flag poles about a month ago. He had an American Flag up since it was installed until this week. We walked by, and it is a yellow flag that say "Don't tread on me".

My wife asked what it meant. I said while I agreed with the message, I can't believe he put that up. Just not worth it.


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I guess I don't understand why anyone puts a political sign in their yard, or worse a bumper sticker on their car. What's the point? Do you think someone will be converted to your position? If I react at all it's usually that I think the person is an idiot.

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I guess I don't understand why anyone puts a political sign in their yard, or worse a bumper sticker on their car. What's the point? Do you think someone will be converted to your position? If I react at all it's usually that I think the person is an idiot.
You aren't impressed by a Kerry 2004 bumper sticker that is still on the car?

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I guess I don't understand why anyone puts a political sign in their yard, or worse a bumper sticker on their car. What's the point? Do you think someone will be converted to your position? If I react at all it's usually that I think the person is an idiot.

You mean Scorehead and his neighbor are not bright people? I find that shocking.

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His campaign has been terrible except for one simple fact- he is garnering endless free media attention.

If anyone else said

paraphrasing:

"Mexicans are drug dealers and rapists."

or

"Ban all Muslims."

or

"The judge in Indiana can't give me a fair trial because he is Mexican American."

It would be game over instantly.
true, unless there is a large segment of the population that agrees with those statements. You've noted it within your family...as have I. Once it gets to this point, most of the party supports their nominee even if they do it through gritted teeth. Unfortunately, that could be enough.

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I guess I don't understand why anyone puts a political sign in their yard, or worse a bumper sticker on their car. What's the point? Do you think someone will be converted to your position? If I react at all it's usually that I think the person is an idiot.
You aren't impressed by a Kerry 2004 bumper sticker that is still on the car?


I have a Mondale '84 sticker on my car.

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I guess I don't understand why anyone puts a political sign in their yard, or worse a bumper sticker on their car. What's the point? Do you think someone will be converted to your position? If I react at all it's usually that I think the person is an idiot.

You mean Scorehead and his neighbor are not bright people? I find that shocking.


I wonder if the neighbor is a welching piece of shit, like Scorehead.

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I guess I don't understand why anyone puts a political sign in their yard, or worse a bumper sticker on their car. What's the point? Do you think someone will be converted to your position? If I react at all it's usually that I think the person is an idiot.


I was never a fan of Baby on Board or My Kid's an Honor Roll Student, but we all have our reasons.

I used to put bumper stickers on my car because I worked for the campaigns. A big part of the campaign effort was to distribute yard signs. I suppose the thought process is that many people do not know who their options are (at levels below the President), and they just punch the ticket of a name they recognize in the voting booth.

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I guess I don't understand why anyone puts a political sign in their yard, or worse a bumper sticker on their car. What's the point? Do you think someone will be converted to your position? If I react at all it's usually that I think the person is an idiot.


I've long had a somewhat irrational loathing of bumper stickers or window decals of any kind (excepting 'mandatory' ones like, for example, parking permits and the like).

I do, however, think it's fairly rational that people should have their auto insurance premium surcharged based on how many voluntary stickers/decals they have affixed to their vehicle.

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I guess I don't understand why anyone puts a political sign in their yard, or worse a bumper sticker on their car. What's the point? Do you think someone will be converted to your position? If I react at all it's usually that I think the person is an idiot.


I was never a fan of Baby on Board or My Kid's an Honor Roll Student, but we all have our reasons.

I used to put bumper stickers on my car because I worked for the campaigns. A big part of the campaign effort was to distribute yard signs. I suppose the thought process is that many people do not know who their options are (at levels below the President), and they just punch the ticket of a name they recognize in the voting booth.


Next to my Mondale '84 sticker is one that says, "Grass, gas, or ass. Nobody rides for free".

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I guess I don't understand why anyone puts a political sign in their yard, or worse a bumper sticker on their car. What's the point? Do you think someone will be converted to your position? If I react at all it's usually that I think the person is an idiot.


I was never a fan of Baby on Board or My Kid's an Honor Roll Student, but we all have our reasons.

I used to put bumper stickers on my car because I worked for the campaigns. A big part of the campaign effort was to distribute yard signs. I suppose the thought process is that many people do not know who their options are (at levels below the President), and they just punch the ticket of a name they recognize in the voting booth.


Next to my Mondale '84 sticker is one that says, "Grass, gas, or ass. Nobody rides for free".


I think that's just one long sticker.

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I guess I don't understand why anyone puts a political sign in their yard, or worse a bumper sticker on their car. What's the point? Do you think someone will be converted to your position? If I react at all it's usually that I think the person is an idiot.


I've long had a somewhat irrational loathing of bumper stickers or window decals of any kind (excepting 'mandatory' ones like, for example, parking permits and the like).

I do, however, think it's fairly rational that people should have their auto insurance premium surcharged based on how many voluntary stickers/decals they have affixed to their vehicle.


i have an Onion bumper sticker that says "honk if you have poor self-impulse control" that i would definitely put on my car, if I were a bumper sticker kinda guy. Which i'm not


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Yard signs are particularly effective for local races where candidates cannot get the name recognition through media and may not have the funds for mailing buys.

I also think they are effective in influencing people who know you. I thought I heard a study that the most effective influence on millenials is an endorsement of someone they know personally on social media. The sign is the same type of endorsement.

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