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 Post subject: Re: Colin Powell
PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 2:27 pm 
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He wasn't duped. In his book he writes about how embarrassed he was when preparing for that UN presentation. He's a military guy, does what he's told. Seems to have worked for him.

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Hillary's ideology would be hard to describe in one word.

Economically: Neoliberal
Foreign Policy: Hawkish
Socially: What the politics of the moment requires


I think socially Hillary is a progressive

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I'm just glad she seems to have given up on single payer health care. That would have been a disaster here.

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Hillary's ideology would be hard to describe in one word.

Economically: Neoliberal
Foreign Policy: Hawkish
Socially: What the politics of the moment requires


I think socially Hillary is a progressive


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Hillary's ideology would be hard to describe in one word.

Economically: Neoliberal
Foreign Policy: Hawkish
Socially: What the politics of the moment requires


I think socially Hillary is a progressive




Yeah, she got on board with gay marriage-rights about 26 months ago.

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 Post subject: Re: Colin Powell
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Nas wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Hillary's ideology would be hard to describe in one word.

Economically: Neoliberal
Foreign Policy: Hawkish
Socially: What the politics of the moment requires


I think socially Hillary is a progressive


:lol: :lol: :lol:

+1. She got on board with gay marriage what, like 2 years ago? That might be being generous.

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 Post subject: Re: Colin Powell
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312player wrote:
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leashyourkids wrote:
Hillary's ideology would be hard to describe in one word.

Economically: Neoliberal
Foreign Policy: Hawkish
Socially: What the politics of the moment requires


I think socially Hillary is a progressive




Yeah, she got on board with gay marriage-rights about 26 months ago.


She's also a politician. Like Obama she did what was politically expedient.

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 Post subject: Re: Colin Powell
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Nas wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Hillary's ideology would be hard to describe in one word.

Economically: Neoliberal
Foreign Policy: Hawkish
Socially: What the politics of the moment requires


I think socially Hillary is a progressive




Yeah, she got on board with gay marriage-rights about 26 months ago.


She's also a politician. Like Obama she did what was politically expedient.

The majority of Americans supported gay marriage years before she did, so this excuse doesn't fly.

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312player wrote:
Nas wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Hillary's ideology would be hard to describe in one word.

Economically: Neoliberal
Foreign Policy: Hawkish
Socially: What the politics of the moment requires


I think socially Hillary is a progressive




Yeah, she got on board with gay marriage-rights about 26 months ago.


She's also a politician. Like Obama she did what was politically expedient.

The majority of Americans supported gay marriage years before she did, so this excuse doesn't fly.


In 2007 and 2008 it wasn't a political winner.

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 Post subject: Re: Colin Powell
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Nas wrote:
312player wrote:
Nas wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Hillary's ideology would be hard to describe in one word.

Economically: Neoliberal
Foreign Policy: Hawkish
Socially: What the politics of the moment requires


I think socially Hillary is a progressive




Yeah, she got on board with gay marriage-rights about 26 months ago.


She's also a politician. Like Obama she did what was politically expedient.





Bernie didn't need public approval to take a stand 50 years ago.

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 Post subject: Re: Colin Powell
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Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
312player wrote:
Nas wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Hillary's ideology would be hard to describe in one word.

Economically: Neoliberal
Foreign Policy: Hawkish
Socially: What the politics of the moment requires


I think socially Hillary is a progressive




Yeah, she got on board with gay marriage-rights about 26 months ago.


She's also a politician. Like Obama she did what was politically expedient.

The majority of Americans supported gay marriage years before she did, so this excuse doesn't fly.


In 2007 and 2008 it wasn't a political winner.

In 2012 60-65% of Americans supported legalizing gay marriage. Hillary was among the 35-40% who did not. She is clearly not a socially liberal person, even allowing for political expediency.

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 Post subject: Re: Colin Powell
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Bernie didn't need public approval to take a stand 50 years ago.
Like supporting dictators who were enemies of the United States?

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 Post subject: Re: Colin Powell
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Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
312player wrote:
Nas wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Hillary's ideology would be hard to describe in one word.

Economically: Neoliberal
Foreign Policy: Hawkish
Socially: What the politics of the moment requires


I think socially Hillary is a progressive




Yeah, she got on board with gay marriage-rights about 26 months ago.


She's also a politician. Like Obama she did what was politically expedient.

The majority of Americans supported gay marriage years before she did, so this excuse doesn't fly.


In 2007 and 2008 it wasn't a political winner.



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In 2012 60-65% of Americans supported legalizing gay marriage. Hillary was among the 35-40% who did not. She is clearly not a socially liberal person, even allowing for political expediency.


She didn't have a position in 2012 because she was SoS.

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 Post subject: Re: Colin Powell
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He was afraid. MANY blacks would have supported him. He comes off as more of a liberal republican.


He made himself into a tool for the neoconservative war machine.

I'll pass.


I agree. That wasn't a time to be a "good soldier". I man I dislike a lot once said, "There comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular, but he must take it because conscience tells him it is right." That was the time for Powell and he didn't have the courage to do it.

You agree with that quote and yet can't understand why someone would choose Bernie over Hillary?
This. I don't particularly care about the e-mails or Benghazi. However I still haven't forgiven her for the Iraq vote. I firmly believed at the time and continue to believe that she voted for it purely because of the perceived pro-war fervor at the time and the fear of being portrayed as unpatriotic. She knew better (IMO) yet ignored her conscience for political reasons. Shameful.

(Note: I still will vote for her as I believe Trump is a horrendously unqualified candidate and any other vote potentially helps him. Dislike for her as a person is not enough to allow him to attain such a powerful position).

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 Post subject: Re: Colin Powell
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She didn't have a position in 2012 because she was SoS.

Being Secretary of State does not preclude someone from having an opinion on gay marriage. In 2012, she was against gay marriage. At the same time, the majority of Americans supported it.

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She didn't have a position in 2012 because she was SoS.

Being Secretary of State does not preclude someone from having an opinion on gay marriage. In 2012, she was against gay marriage. At the same time, the majority of Americans supported it.


I was for it before she was for cripes sake.

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She didn't have a position in 2012 because she was SoS.

Being Secretary of State does not preclude someone from having an opinion on gay marriage. In 2012, she was against gay marriage. At the same time, the majority of Americans supported it.


You know cabinet officials stay away from political issues.

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Hillary's ideology would be hard to describe in one word.

Economically: Neoliberal
Foreign Policy: Hawkish
Socially: What the politics of the moment requires


I think socially Hillary is a progressive

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I think we should all be concerned about what Russia is doing with the hacking. There is a chance their hacks can swing our elections and put our national security in jeopardy.

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Hillary supporters under 35 in a nutshell.

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Hillary's ideology would be hard to describe in one word.

Economically: Neoliberal
Foreign Policy: Hawkish
Socially: What the politics of the moment requires

Spiritually: What's in it for me

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