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What is this channel you speak of I must investigate?


Ch. 62


I can see it now:

NBC5 Investigates, Former local man donates everything to Jim Baker. Now lives in locker at the bus station in suburban Tampa.


They could save coin and repeat their reports of 30 years ago, except I think the then Utopia was in N. Carolina. PJ O'Rourke had a field day with the rubes back then.

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He doesn't think stupid is an insult though. He loves the poorly educated!

Plus his supporters are dipshits who are likely too stupid to realize when they're being insulted.



Got home yesterday and cut the tv on for background noise. To my shock I learned Jim Bakker still is alive & on tv pushing his church and soliciting donations.
Even funnier (not haha funny), he & some other pulpit pimp were on decrying taxes, the evil federal government and calling for a new Ronald Reagan.

Tax exempt status alone was one thing, but a morality discussion by THAT GUY...too much for one afternoon. :shock:


I think he is now pushing some eschatological theology while selling freeze dried foods to get through the end of the world


See Old Dolphin has had the same old remote problems too! Old brothers of the struggle unite! PittMike? Pasta? TM? Dr. Ken? :bigsmurf:


I saw the tail end of an old Happy Days last night where they went to a dude ranch. Joannie was on a carriage drawn by four horses that went crazy sending her down a dangerous path. One of the workers went after her on horseback but couldn't catch her. Fonzie went to save her on his motorcycle with Richie on the back. They jumped a ravine while Fonzie said "Aaaa". Then, to my dismay, it ended there as a two part cliffhanger.

I've go no reason to watch modern day TV when I can watch shows like that.

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I saw the tail end of an old Happy Days last night where they went to a dude ranch. Joannie was on a carriage drawn by four horses that went crazy sending her down a dangerous path. One of the workers went after her on horseback but couldn't catch her. Fonzie went to save her on his motorcycle with Richie on the back. They jumped a ravine while Fonzie said "Aaaa". Then, to my dismay, it ended there as a two part cliffhanger.

I've go no reason to watch modern day TV when I can watch shows like that.


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He doesn't think stupid is an insult though. He loves the poorly educated!

Plus his supporters are dipshits who are likely too stupid to realize when they're being insulted.



Got home yesterday and cut the tv on for background noise. To my shock I learned Jim Bakker still is alive & on tv pushing his church and soliciting donations.
Even funnier (not haha funny), he & some other pulpit pimp were on decrying taxes, the evil federal government and calling for a new Ronald Reagan.

Tax exempt status alone was one thing, but a morality discussion by THAT GUY...too much for one afternoon. :shock:


I think he is now pushing some eschatological theology while selling freeze dried foods to get through the end of the world



Why didn't you go see Trump today? No bigger friend of the Polish community (that's what he said today).


Those hacks at the Polish American Committee have been shills for the republican party my entire lifetime. Their constituency is aging immigrants. I get along with them but the dolphinski's have been at political odds with them for two generations. I've beaten them to the punch in a number of local elections with just a few friends and family versus their organizational infrastructure. Half those hacks in the audience were up our asses a year ago to get tickets when Obama gave his speech at the Copernicus Foundation a couple of years ago.

That said, Obama has been no friend to Poland. He has called Nazi concentration camps "Polish concentration camps". He has allowed his underlings to do the same without reprisal. He has sent flunkies to major international events sponsored by Poland that all other heads of state saw fit to attend. He had almost no response to Russian aggression creeping closer to Poland when he knows that Putin, left unchecked, will try to rebuild USSR. He has altered missle defense programs that would have built security in Poland against its eastern neighbors. He has given little recognition to the military and political support Poland has provided to US causes throughout his presidency.

On the other hand, what has Trump done to show his friendship? Did he employ any Polish American firms to work on his building? Did he employ any Polish American professionals to develop or market his units? Can he point to anything he has done to back that statement?

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On the other hand, what has Trump done to show his friendship? Did he employ any Polish American firms to work on his building? Did he employ any Polish American professionals to develop or market his units? Can he point to anything he has done to back that statement?


To be fair, he got 1st generation Polish-"almost Americans" for the first Trump Tower, but then as now, no...

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Also, I saw that Giuliani introduced him.

Can we stop with the pretense that Giuliani is some major political player? The guy was a two term mayor, nothing else. Yet he gets the stage as if he has somehow shaped national policy during his existence.

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Also, I saw that Giuliani introduced him.

Can we stop with the pretense that Giuliani is some major political player? The guy was a two term mayor, nothing else. Yet he gets the stage as if he has somehow shaped national policy during his existence.


The Charles Lindbergh of our political times.

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Those hacks at the Polish American Committee have been shills for the republican party my entire lifetime. Their constituency is aging immigrants. I get along with them but the dolphinski's have been at political odds with them for two generations. I've beaten them to the punch in a number of local elections with just a few friends and family versus their organizational infrastructure.

That said, Obama has been no friend to Poland. He has called Nazi concentration camps "Polish concentration camps". He has allowed his underlings to do the same without reprisal. He has sent flunkies to major international events sponsored by Poland that all other heads of state saw fit to attend. He had almost no response to Russian aggression creeping closer to Poland when he knows that Putin, left unchecked, will try to rebuild USSR. He has altered missle defense programs that would have built security in Poland against its eastern neighbors. He has given little recognition to the military and political support Poland has provided to US causes throughout his presidency.

On the other hand, what has Trump done to show his friendship? Did he employ any Polish American firms to work on his building? Did he employ any Polish American professionals to develop or market his units? Can he point to anything he has done to back that statement?


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Also, I saw that Giuliani introduced him.

Can we stop with the pretense that Giuliani is some major political player? The guy was a two term mayor, nothing else. Yet he gets the stage as if he has somehow shaped national policy during his existence.



He should get a tattoo on his forehead that says, "I WAS MAYOR WHEN THE WTC WAS ATTACKED!"

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Also, I saw that Giuliani introduced him.

Can we stop with the pretense that Giuliani is some major political player? The guy was a two term mayor, nothing else. Yet he gets the stage as if he has somehow shaped national policy during his existence.



He should get a tattoo on his forehead that says, "I WAS MAYOR WHEN THE WTC WAS ATTACKED! UNDER CLINTON & OBAMA"


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Also, I saw that Giuliani introduced him.

Can we stop with the pretense that Giuliani is some major political player? The guy was a two term mayor, nothing else. Yet he gets the stage as if he has somehow shaped national policy during his existence.



He should get a tattoo on his forehead that says, "I WAS MAYOR WHEN THE WTC WAS ATTACKED!"

His business card says Mayor of 9/11.

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I could watch nothing but travel shows on the various PBS stations I get. Rick Steves, Burt Wolf, Globe Trekker, Joseph Rosando, Grannies on Safari...I'm a sucker for them all. I don't know why The Travel Channel wouldn't have either hired them all away or programmed something similar.

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I could watch nothing but travel shows on the various PBS stations I get. Rick Steves, Burt Wolf, Globe Trekker, Joseph Rosando, Grannies on Safari...I'm a sucker for them all. I don't know why The Travel Channel wouldn't have either hired them all away or programmed something similar.


I used to feel that way about the cooking shows on PBS. Martian Yan was the best.

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I used to feel that way about the cooking shows on PBS. Martian Yan was the best.


Martian grub. I missed that show somehow. Was that an episode of Dr. Who maybe?


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Martian grub. I missed that show somehow. Was that an episode of Dr. Who maybe?



Wrong thread.

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Does anyone have a good "tax guy"? Apparently, in the oil field you can maneuver around on your return and find ways to increase the money back.

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I could watch nothing but travel shows on the various PBS stations I get. Rick Steves, Burt Wolf, Globe Trekker, Joseph Rosando, Grannies on Safari...I'm a sucker for them all. I don't know why The Travel Channel wouldn't have either hired them all away or programmed something similar.


Every so often I'll find myself watching tv over the air, rediscover the 4 different Ch. 11 options & rethink my Directv bill. I'll have to get another internet ready tv so the wife can watch her shows & its a done deal for my wallet.

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Those hacks at the Polish American Committee have been shills for the republican party my entire lifetime. Their constituency is aging immigrants. I get along with them but the dolphinski's have been at political odds with them for two generations. I've beaten them to the punch in a number of local elections with just a few friends and family versus their organizational infrastructure. Half those hacks in the audience were up our asses a year ago to get tickets when Obama gave his speech at the Copernicus Foundation a couple of years ago.

That said, Obama has been no friend to Poland. He has called Nazi concentration camps "Polish concentration camps". He has allowed his underlings to do the same without reprisal. He has sent flunkies to major international events sponsored by Poland that all other heads of state saw fit to attend. He had almost no response to Russian aggression creeping closer to Poland when he knows that Putin, left unchecked, will try to rebuild USSR. He has altered missle defense programs that would have built security in Poland against its eastern neighbors. He has given little recognition to the military and political support Poland has provided to US causes throughout his presidency.

On the other hand, what has Trump done to show his friendship? Did he employ any Polish American firms to work on his building? Did he employ any Polish American professionals to develop or market his units? Can he point to anything he has done to back that statement?


Do your kids have this strong of a connection to their heritage? Why do you? That's not a criticism, I'm just wondering.


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Those hacks at the Polish American Committee have been shills for the republican party my entire lifetime. Their constituency is aging immigrants. I get along with them but the dolphinski's have been at political odds with them for two generations. I've beaten them to the punch in a number of local elections with just a few friends and family versus their organizational infrastructure. Half those hacks in the audience were up our asses a year ago to get tickets when Obama gave his speech at the Copernicus Foundation a couple of years ago.

That said, Obama has been no friend to Poland. He has called Nazi concentration camps "Polish concentration camps". He has allowed his underlings to do the same without reprisal. He has sent flunkies to major international events sponsored by Poland that all other heads of state saw fit to attend. He had almost no response to Russian aggression creeping closer to Poland when he knows that Putin, left unchecked, will try to rebuild USSR. He has altered missle defense programs that would have built security in Poland against its eastern neighbors. He has given little recognition to the military and political support Poland has provided to US causes throughout his presidency.

On the other hand, what has Trump done to show his friendship? Did he employ any Polish American firms to work on his building? Did he employ any Polish American professionals to develop or market his units? Can he point to anything he has done to back that statement?


Do your kids have this strong of a connection to their heritage? Why do you? That's not a criticism, I'm just wondering.


I'm not one of those people who is Polish-American with an emphasis on Polish. I never went to Saturday Polish school and I don't speak the language. I never lived in an ethnic ghetto and I was never pressured to associate only with my own. My great grandparents were the ones who came over and I was lucky enough to know one of them into my adult life, so that probably added to my identity. We have a fairly tight knit family that keeps some of the traditions but probably in an Americanized way. Poles would probably laugh if I identified as Polish and first generation immigrants certainly don't see me as connected to the country. I'm American with a sense of my heritage and an interest in politics. Your question is as odd to me as asking why I have five fingers. Its just who I am.

I also have appreciation and celebrate other cultures.

My kids are the first generation of my family on any level that are of mixed heritage (all my nieces and nephews and extended relatives of that age are as well but my age and before is all Polish). I take it upon myself for them to understand their heritage inherited from me as I know it. I support and encourage them to also learn about their Irish roots and I'll teach them about it as much as I know but ultimately that is on my wife and her family.

I think it is important to have a sense of identity, a connection to the past and a connection to the larger world.

However, identity is a strange thing. I am American of Polish ethnicity but my inherited sense of Polishness is informed by pre WW I, pre WW II and pre Communist identity. I can tell you to a certainty that those who lived through Communist occupation have a different sense of what it is to be Polish than I.

Ultimately, what the hell do I know? This is what I am and it doesn't seem so bad so I'll pass it on to my boys.

I do view life as being indebted to those who came before me and obliged to those who come after. I'm not blind to the fact that my forefathers were probably incestuous hillbillys who would get into bar fights with people who wore the wrong high school hat. However, without misery they never would have looked to US as a great alternative and I would not be who I am today.

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I think that is partly why I scorn the suburbs. They seem to encourage denial of one's history in exchange for tidiness.

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Not a political endorsement.

But, what is this "scandal" of someone trying to pay as little tax as possible? When did this become evil? There are entire industries, classes, disciplines devoted to the practice of getting people to pay as close to no tax as is legally possible.

I guess I get that people get irritated that rich people don't pay "their fair share" but I appreciate legal creative accounting practices. It's good stuff.

The income gap and rich getting richer stuff would be a negative for Trump

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Not a political endorsement.

But, what is this "scandal" of someone trying to pay as little tax as possible? When did this become evil? There are entire industries, classes, disciplines devoted to the practice of getting people to pay as close to no tax as is legally possible.

I guess I get that people get irritated that rich people don't pay "their fair share" but I appreciate legal creative accounting practices. It's good stuff.

The income gap and rich getting richer stuff would be a negative for Trump

Even tho Hillary is bought and paid for by a million guys just like him


Why do her and other Wall Street democrats get the pass?

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Not a political endorsement.

But, what is this "scandal" of someone trying to pay as little tax as possible? When did this become evil? There are entire industries, classes, disciplines devoted to the practice of getting people to pay as close to no tax as is legally possible.

I guess I get that people get irritated that rich people don't pay "their fair share" but I appreciate legal creative accounting practices. It's good stuff.

The income gap and rich getting richer stuff would be a negative for Trump

Even tho Hillary is bought and paid for by a million guys just like him


Why do her and other Wall Street democrats get the pass?

They don't. It almost cost her the nomination.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Not a political endorsement.

But, what is this "scandal" of someone trying to pay as little tax as possible? When did this become evil? There are entire industries, classes, disciplines devoted to the practice of getting people to pay as close to no tax as is legally possible.

I guess I get that people get irritated that rich people don't pay "their fair share" but I appreciate legal creative accounting practices. It's good stuff.

The income gap and rich getting richer stuff would be a negative for Trump

Even tho Hillary is bought and paid for by a million guys just like him


Why do her and other Wall Street democrats get the pass?

They don't. It almost cost her the nomination.


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I'm not one of those people who is Polish-American with an emphasis on Polish. I never went to Saturday Polish school and I don't speak the language. I never lived in an ethnic ghetto and I was never pressured to associate only with my own. My great grandparents were the ones who came over and I was lucky enough to know one of them into my adult life, so that probably added to my identity. We have a fairly tight knit family that keeps some of the traditions but probably in an Americanized way. Poles would probably laugh if I identified as Polish and first generation immigrants certainly don't see me as connected to the country. I'm American with a sense of my heritage and an interest in politics. Your question is as odd to me as asking why I have five fingers. Its just who I am.

I also have appreciation and celebrate other cultures.

My kids are the first generation of my family on any level that are of mixed heritage (all my nieces and nephews and extended relatives of that age are as well but my age and before is all Polish). I take it upon myself for them to understand their heritage inherited from me as I know it. I support and encourage them to also learn about their Irish roots and I'll teach them about it as much as I know but ultimately that is on my wife and her family.

I think it is important to have a sense of identity, a connection to the past and a connection to the larger world.

However, identity is a strange thing. I am American of Polish ethnicity but my inherited sense of Polishness is informed by pre WW I, pre WW II and pre Communist identity. I can tell you to a certainty that those who lived through Communist occupation have a different sense of what it is to be Polish than I.

Ultimately, what the hell do I know? This is what I am and it doesn't seem so bad so I'll pass it on to my boys.

I do view life as being indebted to those who came before me and obliged to those who come after. I'm not blind to the fact that my forefathers were probably incestuous hillbillys who would get into bar fights with people who wore the wrong high school hat. However, without misery they never would have looked to US as a great alternative and I would not be who I am today.


The concept of "nationality" beyond simply being American is a very Chicago thing. When my friend Jerry's grandson was a little kid he came home with an assignment from school that had a blank rectangle and instructions to draw your flag. The kid asked his grandfather what his flag was and Jerry said without hesitation, "The Stars and Stripes!" The kid drew an American flag and the teacher marked it "wrong". Jerry went to the school and told the teacher, "He doesn't have another flag."

My father identified strongly as Irish. He was very proud of being Irish even though he was only a half-blood. He even went to the point where he pronounced our very German last name in a way that made it sound Irish. My grandfather and I used to tell him he didn't even know how to say his own name. My sister identifies as Irish as well and she is so far removed from the Auld Sod that it's ridiculous. The woman has a fucking Claddagh ring tattoo. Very strange. My mom used to make fun by saying, "You know, your father and your sister are Irish."

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i think it's a very city thing. it happens in new york too.

the worst is when they try to enunciate the native language, like they know how to speak it. "italian americans" are probably the worst offenders, but i've known some amerirish try to do gaelic and it's ridiculous.


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the worst is when they try to enunciate the native language, like they know how to speak it. "italian americans" are probably the worst offenders


Yeah, it's hilarious to hear these third generation guys butcher the language. But in fairness, some of these weird pronunciations come from various dialects. I never really knew that, but my wife is very good with languages- she's fluent in three and can get by in five or six- and very interested in language and linguistics to the point where she studies that shit for fun. Yeah, I don't believe that either! Anyway, my wife told me that in the 1800s when a lot of Italian immigration was occurring, Italy was a bunch of disparate states with very specific dialects. Immigrants from particular areas in Italy tended to gather in particular areas in the U.S. That's why some Italians pronounce capicola as "gabagool". Television has tended to eliminate these regional differences to a point where a guy who says "gabagool" sounds like a fucking moron.

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