Lopsided series. One of the four best teams in the league is missing half their starters and the other is supposedly a one man team. The #1 seed was trash. The Warriors are rolling teams even as they are injured. Another team has a star that doesn't play any defense. The NBA sucks because of those things.

See how easy it is to simply harp on the negative things all the time? How about instead you just enjoy the NBA for what it is?

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No because if you use your "college" analogy then Cleveland's "upset" of Toronto was a glorious thing. No one thought (besides FF maybe) believed that Toronto was a title contending team.

Boston Philly was a helluva series by the way.

Here is the interesting thing about your injury G.S. argument. You claimed they are rolling teams in spite of injuries. First off Curry was back against N.O so i don't know and neither do you obviously what you are talking about.

2ndly The two teams that they beat also had injuries. Is it surprising that you'd fail to mention this. Leonard and Boogie are both top ten players in the league and they were out also. The" rolling "of teams had something to do with that more than anything.

If you want to know how garbage college basketball happens to be all you have to do is look at the Final Four and compare it to the NBA Final Four.


Without any games having been played i can readily assure you that the NBA final Four will be much more compelling.

As far as enjoying it I am. You are the one that brought it up.

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Yeah. It's almost like I just picked negative things to bash the NBA to make a point I had predetermined!

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Let me ask you this. Were those Final Four games exciting or were they boring? Even without predetermined points i will concede the point if i believed that they were.


It isn't about predetermined points when you fail to mention that the teams G.S. faced also had key injuries as well or you fail to mention that G.S. didn't have injuries in the 2nd round. It is called making weak arguments.

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They were kind of boring though Villanova being head and shoulders above everyone this year did that. I loved the tournament as a whole(my teams injury aside) but I have no problem saying the F4 games were kind of a letdown. Michigan-Loyola was pretty good.
No, it's called only looking for negatives when you already know your answer. It's easy to do.

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Another thing since you won't let this go. You want to know why college basketball is hot garbage here is why its Hot garbage. 4 of the top 5 players from last night's game still have college eligibility yet aren't playing in college. That is the case even without including Fultz. Embiid could have redshirted and been eligible. Brown, Tatum, and Simmons all have college eligibility yet are playing in the NBA.

This validates the reason why i believe that the college game is a shitty product. Lack of high end talent makes for crappy ass games.

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No when there are good games i will call them as such. I just have a problem with College because of the skill level of the players primarily. The Final Four was bad because you had bad players playing in it and that has been the case for a number of years.

You simply don't get well played games all that often. There is a reason for it. The cinderella thing isn't even a big enough draw because there isn't much difference in high seeds and low seeds these days.

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I don't care at all about that. Two of those guys weren't even good enough to make the tournament in college in what is supposedly a low quality level of basketball.

However, "Embiid could have redshirted and been eligible" may be the peak of coming up with an answer and then coming up with the argument. Joel Embiid was a 5 star recruit who was a one and done talent. Why not extend it a few more years by saying he could have taken a Mormon mission and started college at the age of 21?

Once again, the point is that it is easy to only look at the negatives of any sport/league to come up with reasons that it is bad. It's ok to like both the NBA and college, or even to only like one or the other. You chose to jump in this thread and try and ruin things for the college football fans with disingenuous arguments and I was simply showing how easy it is to do the same for the NBA or anything else.

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You are just lying now. The 2017 Final Four was great and you had the same opinions.

Everyone knows that the older and more experienced players in the NBA are better. However, your argument falls apart when so many of the one and done talents fail to do well in college basketball. Simmons and Fultz were both useless in college. Lonzo did pretty well. Others like Embiid did well but weren't overwhelming. Mo Wagner was better as a college player than any of them.

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You aren't making much sense quite frankly. Fultz and Simmons didn't make the tournament because they played with shitty teammates and if you don't think it matters that 4 of the better players in an NBA semifinal could be playing in College thus making for a better product then i don't know what to tell you.

I'm not simply looking at the negatives of any sport. I'm stating that in my opinion college hoops is a net negative. My bashing of the college game was more of a response to those that bash the hell out of the NBA yet just can't get enough of that weak ass college basketball. Not just here either. I have a lot of friends that eat that bullshit up too and we argue about it all the time.

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Ben Simmons didn't give a shit about college basketball (rightfully so by the way) It isn't about college careers. Its about talent. You have guys performing at a high level that could be playing college basketball and aren't.

This has been my argument as to why College basketball sucks. Even close games i.e. Syracuse and Michigan State are terribly played. They are boring and if i'd chosen to delve into last year's Final Four or the past 10 years i'd guarantee that there were far more terribly played games than well played games.

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Fultz and Simmons could have gone to any school they wanted. They could have called up my school and played with teammates that were certainly good enough to make the NCAA tournament. The fact that they chose their team and failed so spectacularly is on them.

No one cares about your friends doing it. You jumped into this thread for no reason and started bashing it and then accused me of being an NBA hater to justify it.

You are looking for negatives. The 2017 Final Four was undoubtedly very good. All the games were close and players played well. You bashed it just as hard. I'm simply pointing out that you can find negatives in anything. The league should be embarrassed that the Celtics are still elite with what they've gone through this year. James Harden refused to play defense. The Raptors were supposed to be a great team and they got swept and quit in the final game.The Cavs are an incredibly flawed team that supposedly would be a lottery team without one player. See how easy this is?

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You of all people are "bitching" and " moaning" about someone jumping into a thread. You of all people. Say it ain't so Joe. The Board's No.1 thread destroyer has a problem with someone screwing with the atmosphere surrounding his collegial centered college basketball thread.
Is this one of the biggest WYCs ever?


I don't know what any of your points about Harden or James are supposed to be. If you are arguing that Harden is a flawed basketball player so is everyone that plays basketball.

I'd still much rather watch him play than Lucas Willismson or Charles Matthews. You know Matthews. The Kentucky flameout that had to transfer because he wasn't good enough to play on an average Kentucky and t
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That was in response to this:

Who exactly were you describing here?

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Wow.

Wow.

And calling Rick the #1 thread destroyer is incorrect. He's like #4 tops.

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Final Four!

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Then

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Here is the funny part about Simmons not doing anything at the college level. He didn't seek to do anything at the college level. He signed with LSU as a favor to a family friend. He could have cared less about winning and i didn't blame him either. He was going to be #1 regardless didn't want to get hurt, and was going to be corrupted by that corrupt ass college basketball system.

To use that as a means of assessing him as a player is probably the most laughable conclusion (among many) that you have come up with thus far.

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The favor was cars and houses.

Lots of excuses for a guy who is trying to be fair. Maybe the talented players should care more.

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Ok so Ben Simmons failure to make the tournament epitomizes what exactly?

You are being presumptuous with the other stuff too. Not a surprise.

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It means elite NBA talent often struggle to be relevant in it. You would think the void of talent in college basketball would result in the best teams being the ones with those guys.

Also Ben Simmons admitted he was "offered" those things.

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Gorilla Monsoon would call this the unstoppable force vs the immovable object thread.

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Being offered and accepting are two different things. Every big time athlete of the past 50 years has been offered things. Are you really that naive to think they haven't? That is some revelation Brickster.


Secondly if you think NBA GMS were sitting around basing their evaluation of Simmons the player on his ability to make some meaningless (NBA) wise tournament then you are equally naive. Ben Simmons was the No. 1 player from the moment he entered college to the day he left college. If it were up to him he wouldn't have attended college.

I'm sure they were saying yeah that Ben Simmons really is a bum because his weak ass LSU team with the since fired coach couldn't make the tournament. Yeah right they were

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What this is is obliteration (In True JLN Barry Horowitz like fashion) at its best. This is how you dissect an invalid argument. Take notes!

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It's certainly more plausible than wasting a year at LSU doing nothing as a favor to a family friend.

What a straw man. The NBA drafts on potential. There are lottery picks all the time that struggle to make an all conference team. Jonathan Isaac could only do as well as making the ACC all-Freshman team and yet he went 6th. Of course Simmons didn't need to prove anything to the NBA to get drafted higher. You would just think if you are going to take the time to go play basketball in college that you would want to play well enough to make the tournament.

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You and Rick are perfect for each other. Enjoy.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

If Ben Simmons were concerned about getting a college check he would have signed with Kentucky or Duke. Even if LSU did pay him their pockets were nowhere near as long as those two. Kansas is also in that conversation. Now tell me that it is more "plausible" that LSU's "bag" is deeper than either of the 3 teams that I just named.


Ben SImmons had no obligation to try and take LSU to the tournament and his inability to do so mattered not the people that would ultimately pay him. The college experience is so valuable to prospective pros that they often declare for the draft before the sweat on their jersey has dried prior to their last game.

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Hopefully you can find your perfect match then Ruffy.

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That's a strange thought.

Well then don't go to college if it isn't valuable to them.

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Crambone!!