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I believe for concealed carry you are subject to a mental health evaluation. Is it really that out of bounds?


Sure we could use the same "doctors" that help people rightly collect SS disability checks. I am sure it will work out just fine.

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I have no problem with you guys advocating for whatever to prevent gun violence, but the fundamental point you all always seem to miss is that not everyone believes it is a problem that needs solving, particularly by the federal government. You assume it does and imply that everyone else should think that, too, but they don’t. So constantly quibbling about “how” to solve it is often a pointless exercise for those people.

If the argument when a gun shooting occurs is "mental health!" or "why didn't we see the warning signs!?!?!" then I fail to see the problem with the authorities paying a visit to people blowing up with items after an announcement over a ceased discount program.

If a ceased discount program you never knew existed is causing you to blow up your possessions then a mental health evaluation seems to be like a very fair move.

If you're broadcasting this on YouTube/Facebook looking for attention then attention is what you'll receive.


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I have no problem with you guys advocating for whatever to prevent gun violence, but the fundamental point you all always seem to miss is that not everyone believes it is a problem that needs solving, particularly by the federal government. You assume it does and imply that everyone else should think that, too, but they don’t. So constantly quibbling about “how” to solve it is often a pointless exercise for those people.

If the argument when a gun shooting occurs is "mental health!" or "why didn't we see the warning signs!?!?!" then I fail to see the problem with the authorities paying a visit to people blowing up with items after an announcement over a ceased discount program.

If a ceased discount program you never knew existed is causing you to blow up your possessions then a mental health evaluation seems to be like a very fair move.

If you're broadcasting this on YouTube/Facebook looking for attention then attention is what you'll receive.


Again, a lot of people don’t say that, and many who do say it really want to say it’s a problem that can’t be solved but instead revert to these weak arguments so they aren’t bullied into submission and called a Nazi by gun control advocates.

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 Post subject: Re: NRA Nutjobs
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So, basically, you’re saying every gun owner should be subject to those things. Fine. Just say it.
I don't think you are trying to understand the point I am making. "Warning signs were missed" are constantly mentioned after a mass shooting as a way to deflect from a real discussion about why mass shootings are so much more common here than most if not all industrialized countries. In my opinion, it's them saying that law enforcement should have stopped this. The youtube shooter is a great example.

So now, we have people shooting and targeting the products of a company because they removed a discount program. If these people then went to the company and started shooting we would look at this is a "warning sign that was missed" yet since they haven't they are just dedicated gun owners standing up for their rights "ammo first".

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 Post subject: Re: NRA Nutjobs
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Anyone who did that in the videos should be put on the "No guns list".


...or you know, the whole "warning signs were ignored" thing is useless.


This is one of your poorer trolling meme efforts. Can we go back to "3 games instead of 4"?
We were supposed to catch the "warning signs" of the youtube shooter and yet these guys are specifically targeting a company and literally shooting their products and we just ignore it?

The whole point is that the standard "warning signs were ignored" when applied after the fact sounds great when you apply it with hindsight.

How do we know these guys aren't going to be the next mass shooter?


Because we know the vast majority of gun owners aren't mass shooters.
So why after mass shootings do we constantly hear how "warning signs" were missed? It's useless to say given your response here.

We have gun owners being violent directly towards a company and their products. If we were supposed to catch the warning signs of the Youtube shooter then shouldn't we see this as a warning sign?


How are they "violent directly towards" a corporation? And OH NO....THE PRODUCTS?!?!? I broke an Xbox controller once in frustration, should I have to register These Hands so Bill Gates knows he is safe?

You're getting yourself into a mighty big pickle if you start to argue that shooting an inanimate object like a cooler for a video to showcase your displeasure with something isn't protected expression and is instead something warranting government intervention. Boyd is almost always an idiot, but he brought up a great point: Are people who burned LeBron's jersey guilty of a hate crime, or do we think they are more likely to commit a hate crime involving arson?


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I believe for concealed carry you are subject to a mental health evaluation. Is it really that out of bounds?


Sure we could use the same "doctors" that help people rightly collect SS disability checks. I am sure it will work out just fine.


Yeah, I mean, I don’t really care if that’s how it’s done, but let’s not act like a “mental health evaluation” couldn’t be politicized.

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 Post subject: Re: NRA Nutjobs
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Again, a lot of people don’t say that, and many who do say it really want to say it’s a problem that can’t be solved but instead revert to these weak arguments so they aren’t bullied into submission and called a Nazi by gun control advocates.
It was all over the place for the parkland shooting and the youtube shooter.

It seems like you agree with me and Kirkwood here so I'm not understanding the argument. Maybe pittmike can explain why you are arguing about it.

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 Post subject: Re: NRA Nutjobs
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Boyd is almost always an idiot, but he brought up a great point: Are people who burned LeBron's jersey guilty of a hate crime, or do we think they are more likely to commit a hate crime involving arson?


You probably misinterpret his sense of humor. Half the time, I am just trying to figure out what movie line he pulled out on me.

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 Post subject: Re: NRA Nutjobs
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Again, a lot of people don’t say that, and many who do say it really want to say it’s a problem that can’t be solved but instead revert to these weak arguments so they aren’t bullied into submission and called a Nazi by gun control advocates.
It was all over the place for the parkland shooting and the youtube shooter.

It seems like you agree with me and Kirkwood here so I'm not understanding the argument. Maybe pittmike can explain why you are arguing about it.


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You will all be sorry when Donald Trump implements Marshall Law because his steak was undercooked. Good luck fighting back with potato guns.

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 Post subject: Re: NRA Nutjobs
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How are they "violent directly towards" a corporation? And OH NO....THE PRODUCTS?!?!?

You're getting yourself into a mighty big pickle if you start to argue that shooting an inanimate object like a cooler for a video to showcase your displeasure with something isn't protected expression and is instead something warranting government intervention. Boyd is almost always an idiot, but he brought up a great point: Are people who burned LeBron's jersey guilty of a hate crime, or do we think they are more likely to commit a hate crime involving arson?
A lot of people claimed the warning signs were missed with the youtube shooter. How was it different than this?

Your second paragraph only helps my argument. The "warning signs were missed" argument is useless.

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You will all be sorry when Donald Trump implements Marshall Law because his steak was undercooked. Good luck fighting back with potato guns.


Guys who use potato guns should not be allowed near the fryer in MCDonald's. Warning signs.

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 Post subject: Re: NRA Nutjobs
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You will all be sorry when Donald Trump implements Marshall Law because his steak was undercooked. Good luck fighting back with potato guns.


Guys who use potato guns should be allowed near the fryer in MCDonald's. Warning signs.


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Are people who burned LeBron's jersey guilty of a hate crime, or do we think they are more likely to commit a hate crime involving arson?

People who burn jerseys are definitely idiots. I have no problem with those dopes being excommunicated to Siberia. Donate the jersey/clothes instead.


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Again, a lot of people don’t say that, and many who do say it really want to say it’s a problem that can’t be solved but instead revert to these weak arguments so they aren’t bullied into submission and called a Nazi by gun control advocates.
It was all over the place for the parkland shooting and the youtube shooter.

It seems like you agree with me and Kirkwood here so I'm not understanding the argument. Maybe pittmike can explain why you are arguing about it.


My point is that those people are reverting to those arguments because they can’t say what they really want to say.

Can you imagine a politician (even one who represents a Southern State) saying “all gun violence is tragic, but it is part of the price of freedom and the Federal Government should not be responsible for regulating it” immediately following a mass shooting? They would be crucified, even though it is a completely reasonable position.

So instead they have to resort to shitty arguments about mental health.

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 Post subject: Re: NRA Nutjobs
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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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Anyone who did that in the videos should be put on the "No guns list".


...or you know, the whole "warning signs were ignored" thing is useless.


This is one of your poorer trolling meme efforts. Can we go back to "3 games instead of 4"?
We were supposed to catch the "warning signs" of the youtube shooter and yet these guys are specifically targeting a company and literally shooting their products and we just ignore it?

The whole point is that the standard "warning signs were ignored" when applied after the fact sounds great when you apply it with hindsight.

How do we know these guys aren't going to be the next mass shooter?


Because we know the vast majority of gun owners aren't mass shooters.

The vast majority of high school kids are not mass shooters.


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Is shooting products of companies that piss you off the act of a responsible gun owner?


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Again, a lot of people don’t say that, and many who do say it really want to say it’s a problem that can’t be solved but instead revert to these weak arguments so they aren’t bullied into submission and called a Nazi by gun control advocates.
It was all over the place for the parkland shooting and the youtube shooter.

It seems like you agree with me and Kirkwood here so I'm not understanding the argument. Maybe pittmike can explain why you are arguing about it.


My point is that those people are reverting to those arguments because they can’t say what they really want to say.

Can you imagine a politician (even one who represents a Southern State) saying “all gun violence is tragic, but it is part of the price of freedom and the Federal Government should not be responsible for regulating it” immediately following a mass shooting? They would be crucified, even though it is a completely reasonable position.

So instead they have to resort to shitty arguments about mental health.
So you have to make a bad argument because you are embarrassed about your true feelings?

I think it would be the duty of responsible gun owners to use their reasonable positions and not intentionally choose bad ones.

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How are they "violent directly towards" a corporation? And OH NO....THE PRODUCTS?!?!?

You're getting yourself into a mighty big pickle if you start to argue that shooting an inanimate object like a cooler for a video to showcase your displeasure with something isn't protected expression and is instead something warranting government intervention. Boyd is almost always an idiot, but he brought up a great point: Are people who burned LeBron's jersey guilty of a hate crime, or do we think they are more likely to commit a hate crime involving arson?
A lot of people claimed the warning signs were missed with the youtube shooter. How was it different than this?

Your second paragraph only helps my argument. The "warning signs were missed" argument is useless.


Stop saying "warning signs". Do you mean a credible threat of violence? There was that with the Parkland shooter, not so with the YouTube shooter...

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-m ... story.html

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Police in Mountain View contacted Aghdam's father and brother after talking with her. The department said her relatives did not mention a potential threat against YouTube or that Aghdam may have been armed. An hour later, Ismail Aghdam called police back to say that his daughter was upset that YouTube had "done something" to her videos, adding that the change might have been connected to her trip to the Bay Area.

"At no point did her father or brother mention anything about potential acts of violence or a possibility of Aghdam lashing out as a result of her issues with her videos," the statement read. "They remained calm throughout this second phone call."


Being "mad" at YouTube is not a "warning sign". Threatening to shoot YouTube employees because of some perceived wrong can be, provided whatever other requisite benchmarks are met for a "credible threat". The police did not have that, and shooting a Yeti cooler is not a credible threat, nor is it a "warning sign".


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Again, a lot of people don’t say that, and many who do say it really want to say it’s a problem that can’t be solved but instead revert to these weak arguments so they aren’t bullied into submission and called a Nazi by gun control advocates.
It was all over the place for the parkland shooting and the youtube shooter.

It seems like you agree with me and Kirkwood here so I'm not understanding the argument. Maybe pittmike can explain why you are arguing about it.


My point is that those people are reverting to those arguments because they can’t say what they really want to say.

Can you imagine a politician (even one who represents a Southern State) saying “all gun violence is tragic, but it is part of the price of freedom and the Federal Government should not be responsible for regulating it” immediately following a mass shooting? They would be crucified, even though it is a completely reasonable position.

So instead they have to resort to shitty arguments about mental health.
So you have to make a bad argument because you are embarrassed about your true feelings?

I think it would be the duty of responsible gun owners to use their reasonable positions and not intentionally choose bad ones.


I don’t think they should do it, either, but what concerns you more: the fact that they do it or the fact that our media will try to ruin a person for simply holding that position?

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How are they "violent directly towards" a corporation? And OH NO....THE PRODUCTS?!?!?

You're getting yourself into a mighty big pickle if you start to argue that shooting an inanimate object like a cooler for a video to showcase your displeasure with something isn't protected expression and is instead something warranting government intervention. Boyd is almost always an idiot, but he brought up a great point: Are people who burned LeBron's jersey guilty of a hate crime, or do we think they are more likely to commit a hate crime involving arson?
A lot of people claimed the warning signs were missed with the youtube shooter. How was it different than this?

Your second paragraph only helps my argument. The "warning signs were missed" argument is useless.


Stop saying "warning signs". Do you mean a credible threat of violence? There was that with the Parkland shooter, not so with the YouTube shooter...

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-m ... story.html

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Police in Mountain View contacted Aghdam's father and brother after talking with her. The department said her relatives did not mention a potential threat against YouTube or that Aghdam may have been armed. An hour later, Ismail Aghdam called police back to say that his daughter was upset that YouTube had "done something" to her videos, adding that the change might have been connected to her trip to the Bay Area.

"At no point did her father or brother mention anything about potential acts of violence or a possibility of Aghdam lashing out as a result of her issues with her videos," the statement read. "They remained calm throughout this second phone call."


Being "mad" at YouTube is not a "warning sign". Threatening to shoot YouTube employees because of some perceived wrong can be, provided whatever other requisite benchmarks are met for a "credible threat". The police did not have that, and shooting a Yeti cooler is not a credible threat, nor is it a "warning sign".
Major news outlets were saying that warning signs were missed after the youtube shooting. I'm not going to argue otherwise just because it's convenient for you here.

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I don’t think they should do it, either, but what concerns you more: the fact that they do it or the fact that our media will try to ruin a person for simply holding that position?
Free speech doesn't give you protection from being judged for the content of your speech.

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Shooting at inanimate objects with tannerite in them is not a warning sign. I don't think anyone who shoots at objects containing tannerite has performed a mass shooting. Tannerite shooting is fairly common out here.

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I don’t think they should do it, either, but what concerns you more: the fact that they do it or the fact that our media will try to ruin a person for simply holding that position?
Free speech doesn't give you protection from being judged for the content of your speech.


That doesn’t have anything to do with the question. I didn’t say it was illegal, but it’s certainly not good for a Democracy.

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I don’t think they should do it, either, but what concerns you more: the fact that they do it or the fact that our media will try to ruin a person for simply holding that position?
Free speech doesn't give you protection from being judged for the content of your speech.


That doesn’t have anything to do with the question. I didn’t say it was illegal, but it’s certainly not good for a Democracy.
That is how Democracy should work. If an idea is so unpopular that someone would be "ruined" for simply stating it publicly then it should lead to a discussion on that idea.

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Shooting at inanimate objects with tannerite in them is not a warning sign. I don't think anyone who shoots at objects containing tannerite has performed a mass shooting. Tannerite shooting is fairly common out here.

No one has an issue if it's for shits and giggles.

But with the advent of "can't ignore warning signs!!!!" mantra I fail to see how blowing up a personal possession out of anger over an ended little-known discount isn't a sign the person is off.

Since "mental health!!!!" and "pay attention to abnormal behavior" are the current mantras then these NRA snowflakes need a mental health evaluation and visit from the authorities.


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Shooting at inanimate objects with tannerite in them is not a warning sign. I don't think anyone who shoots at objects containing tannerite has performed a mass shooting. Tannerite shooting is fairly common out here.

No one has an issue if it's for shits and giggles.

But with the advent of "can't ignore warning signs!!!!" mantra I fail to see how blowing up a personal possession out of anger over an ended little-known discount isn't a sign the person is off.

Since "mental health!!!!" and "pay attention to abnormal behavior" are the current mantras then these NRA snowflakes need a mental health evaluation and visit from the authorities.

Agreed. This was done for a specific reason. How do we know these people don't show up at Yeti HQ tomorrow?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Shooting at inanimate objects with tannerite in them is not a warning sign. I don't think anyone who shoots at objects containing tannerite has performed a mass shooting. Tannerite shooting is fairly common out here.

No one has an issue if it's for shits and giggles.

But with the advent of "can't ignore warning signs!!!!" mantra I fail to see how blowing up a personal possession out of anger over an ended little-known discount isn't a sign the person is off.

Since "mental health!!!!" and "pay attention to abnormal behavior" are the current mantras then these NRA snowflakes need a mental health evaluation and visit from the authorities.

Agreed. This was done for a specific reason. How do we know these people don't show up at Yeti HQ tomorrow?

because they are destroying inanimate objects for attention to a boycott. As dumb as the idea is, clearly there is no physical threat and anyone with common sense can see that.

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 Post subject: Re: NRA Nutjobs
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:58 pm 
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I don't know.

Uncontrollable rage that causes you to destroy your property shouldn't be ignored.

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