Stalking? Yes, I would bring it up to shakes if it made sense to do so. Do you think I'm singling you out?

I think it's fair to question some of the allegations against Lauer but you were so quick to paint Arbery as a person who was clearly doing something wrong that it rings a little hollow to wonder why people, with much more evidence of wrongdoing, did the same to Lauer.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

This is a new weird tactic of the left that has kinda been brooding for a while. The trick is to pick out one incident involving a black person, in a country of well over three hundred million people, and then use that to belittle anything else people are concerned about.

Are people mad that the government is tearing up the constitution? Well some guy got shot by a cop five years ago waving a knife around while high as fuck on PCP!
Are people protesting the government? Black people did that too!

Now we've really graduated to the final form where it doesn't even need to be tangentially related for someone to bring it up. First thought when confronted with anything even slightly uncomfortable is to change the subject to some dispute people had that just happened to boil over into murder. An occurrence so common in this third-world country that the only thing remarkable about it is the outsized attention its received.

I think the rape lock has become the new hands up don’t shoot taken as fact when it’s proved untrue narrative .

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Proud member of the white guy grievance committee

It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

This is a thread about one person too and how he was treated.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

wow, the similarities are really striking now that you mention it!

Of course you are singling me out. You don't take shots at Jorr for having the same take as I did in the Brock Turner case months after the fact. And now, much like in that case where drinking had nothing to do with anything, wearing work boots while "jogging" doesn't matter. There is some higher truth that trumps all of the other details. It's some sort of new Biblical sense of right and wrong where we choose what happened based on the race, sexual orientation or gender of the "victim".

There is no clear connection to the Arbery case to this one other than the media ran to shout that a great injustice had occurred without verifying anything first. But I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you weren't just trying to suggest that I'm an evil subhuman once again.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

Questioning is great, and WFR often asks good questions and makes good points. But it's like WFR isn't simply questioning; he's already made up his mind, and so he's making his case, not simply pointing out incongruities. He kind of stitches his questions to assumptions, and then when he gets questioned, he doubles down on claims of his own authenticity, &tc.

But asking questions is good, because I have never even bothered to wonder whether Lauer was railroaded. I just accepted it as true.

In reality, I am not doubting his guilt, though I wonder what patterns make me give someone the benefit of the doubt or why I'd believe one person acted poorly while I would search for reasons to doubt why another person behaved poorly. It scares me that there might be a pattern I am unaware of there.

Chris Hardwick asking the doctor "well how soon can I bang her again" after his girlfriend underwent serious surgery was funny, but Joe Biden got the Failing New York Times to call "Believe Women" a right-wing conspiracy.

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Is anything that Lauer is saying about Farrow true ?

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Proud member of the white guy grievance committee

It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

You asked some tough questions there, brother. And no, I am not being sarcastic.

Tribalism baby. That's all there is to it. We like who we like and hate who we don't. Comme ci comme ça.

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I take plenty of shots at JORR and he takes them at me too, but me and him are cordial and you are never cordial to me.

Once again, if I wanted to call you a name I would. I'm simply pointing out that it's an interesting take to believe that we should have given Lauer the benefit of the doubt when he has admitted to doing some bad things but Arbery was up to no good* because there was footage of him on a construction site and he was wearing Timberlands.


*-I'm sad no one picked up on my Fresh Prince of Bel-Air reference earlier.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

It scares the shit out of me how much this blinds me. Or, when I am not blinded by it, how much pressure there is to remain silent or be cast out.

It is pretty much how all discourse operates these days. I blame Twitter.

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Anyone bother reading what Lauer wrote ?

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Proud member of the white guy grievance committee

It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

The level of taking shots at Jorr is certainly different. You've never called Jorr a racist Klansman, which is akin to calling someone subhuman now. And you don't troll anyone at the same level by bringing up old threads again and again and picking a single detail and repeating it like it's something so stupid that whoever thought it is inferior.

It's not likely to jog in Timberlands. People usually don't repeatedly stop by construction sites while jogging. He lived nowhere near the area. Those facts in total make me question the official version that he was jogging. And now there is a witness and a police report from an earlier confrontation between those involved in this incident.

The rarity of white on black violence also makes me question the official story that these were just evil racists who chose to go "hunting". It seems likely they had a history and reason to confront him. Unless you think the data is all made up inter-racial violence is 90 percent black on white. So the media narrative was just ridiculous. Here are the government numbers: https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv18.pdf

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

No because then you are complicit in "victim shaming".

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

I can think of a few who would disagree with you. I don't think I ever called you a racist Klansman either. Then again, I learned yesterday that Nazi may not in fact be in reference to Hitler and it instead is simply an authoritarian, so maybe I just meant you were a member of a social club.

By the way, can you quote me where I called you a racist Klansman? I want to have the full picture on it.

The problem is that you are putting the victim, and he was a victim, on trial here but you aren't doing the same thing for Lauer who has a lot of reasons to not believe his story that are far more than an illogical shoe choice.

You keep on trying to shift it to this discussion when no one that I saw was doing this. It won't work here either.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

He seems to do a lot of what he accuses Farrow of doing: calling up people to corroborate a story but leaving them unnamed.

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Unless an allegation just sounded absolutely ridiculous, I've been guilty of this when it comes to celebrities. IIRC he didn't really fight it and his wife thought there was some truth to some of the claims. When claims "flood" in and sound similar it becomes like the Bill Cosby story. We're some of the women lying? Absolutely! All 60 weren't though.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

There's personal vendetta's to carry out from completely unrelated threads and stories! Why BRick gets a pass for following people around the board like this I'll never know. And yes, BRick, your tying together of the stories using "benefit of the doubt" is specious at best.

I'm reading through it now, at the first instance of him contacting the Peacock Productions superior Farrow claimed the accuser told about Lauer at the time, and haven't seen him criticize Farrow for naming sources. Is that coming after the part I'm at now?

BRick asks good question.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

Except it's not a good question because it is completely unrelated to the subject of the thread, BRick's nonsensical "benefit of the doubt" joint notwithstanding.

Opinions vary.

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There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.

If it's such a good question, can YOU explain how it's related to Ronan Farrow's journalistic integrity, without using any form of the phrase "benefit of the doubt"?

Once again, I'm sorry for making a joke about you being a lawyer. I regret it to this day.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

That you won't see it speaks volumes about you. Unfortunately it's nothing new.

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There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.

You can't explain it, can you?

I'm not accusing you of following me around the board with that. I think it was just kind of a dick move when I was trying to have an honest discussion with you for once. But don't lie and tell me you regret it.