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Nas

Post subject: Re: Tom Brady

Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 1:19 am

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Cheating in sports and in every other part of life is common. We all probably knowingly break rules everyday because we believe it's easier.

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Post subject: Re: Tom Brady

Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 1:22 am

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Nas wrote:

Cheating in sports and in every other part of life is common. We all probably knowingly break rules everyday because we believe it's easier.

So you are saying that Brady and Belichek are doing what every other person in the NFL is doing, but they are just bad/dumb enough at it to keep getting caught?

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Post subject: Re: Tom Brady

Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 1:23 am

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I sorta believe that could be true. Except for the Bears, they wouldn't know how.

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Post subject: Re: Tom Brady

Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 1:24 am

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Spaulding wrote:

I sorta believe that could be true. Except for the Bears, they wouldn't know how.

What is true:
Every team cheats?
Or only the patriots are dumb enough to get caught repeatedly?

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Post subject: Re: Tom Brady

Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 1:25 am

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Nas

Post subject: Re: Tom Brady

Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 1:27 am

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spanky wrote:

Nas wrote:

Cheating in sports and in every other part of life is common. We all probably knowingly break rules everyday because we believe it's easier.

So you are saying that Brady and Belichek are doing what every other person in the NFL is doing, but they are just bad/dumb enough at it to keep getting caught?

I'm not sure if they got caught. We will find out soon. I agree with everything else.

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Post subject: Re: Tom Brady

Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 1:29 am

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Spaulding wrote:

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How did the bears cheat?

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Post subject: Re: Tom Brady

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Nas wrote:

I'm not sure if they got caught.

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Post subject: Re: Tom Brady

Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 1:30 am

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Nas

Post subject: Re: Tom Brady

Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 1:31 am

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spanky wrote:

Spaulding wrote:

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How did the bears cheat?

They probably sucked at that too.

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Post subject: Re: Tom Brady

Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 1:31 am

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Spaulding wrote:

deflated ben wa balls

How do you know

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Post subject: Re: Tom Brady

Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 1:32 am

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Nas wrote:

spanky wrote:

Spaulding wrote:

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How did the bears cheat?

They probably sucked at that too.

True. Not the best example.

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Post subject: Re: Tom Brady

Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 11:46 am

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This cheating thing is ridiculous.
I've long lobbied that Manning is going down as the greatest ever, but I've seen the light. Yes, Brady plays in an offensive friendly era, but Montana played in a time where SF could buy a championship roster...and they did!. Those SF teams were stacked beyond stacked...as were those Cowboys teams.

As much as I hate all things Boston for sports, Brady is undeniably the greatest.

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Post subject: Re: Tom Brady

Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:30 am

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I would give Montana a slight edge over Brady.

Montana won his first two Super Bowls without Jerry Rice. He was throwing to Dwight Clark and Freddie Solomon, not exactly HOFs.

The backfield in his first Super Bowl were guys like Ricky Patton and Earl Cooper.

Montana also had mobility in his younger years, he could beat you with his legs like he did against the Dolphins in Super Bowl 19.

Montana had a 11-0 TD/int ratio and had an yards per attempt of 9.36 in his Super Bowls, (take away the Super bowls with Jerry Rice and it was still 8.56) Brady i believe has a 6.5 ypa.

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Post subject: Re: Tom Brady

Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:34 am

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I always felt Manning and Marino were the two best passers, while guys like Montana and Brady were the best winners. Marino never had a defense or running game to go along with his tremendous passing stats. Since Marino won nothing, people will not include him in the best ever category. I watch Brady and do not think best ever, but it is hard not to be awed by his body of work.

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Post subject: Re: Tom Brady

Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:41 am

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spanky wrote:

Spaulding wrote:

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How did the bears cheat?

Their offensive linemen held, knew they held, and instead of reporting their holding to the referee, they got away with it.

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Post subject: Re: Tom Brady

Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:44 am

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

spanky wrote:

Spaulding wrote:

both

How did the bears cheat?

Their offensive linemen held, knew they held, and instead of reporting their holding to the referee, they got away with it.

get on back there!

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Post subject: Re: Tom Brady

Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:46 am

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Rich people exploit tax loopholes.

Please list the way that rich people exploit tax loopholes.

Ummm, I can't because I haven't seen nor do I have access to their IRS filings.

:shock:

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Post subject: Re: Tom Brady

Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:50 am

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denisdman wrote:

Rich people exploit tax loopholes.

Please list the way that rich people exploit tax loopholes.

Ummm, I can't because I haven't seen nor do I have access to their IRS filings.

:shock:

We will accept examples of your own exploitation of the common resources.

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Post subject: Re: Tom Brady

Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:53 am

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I am happy to explain mine. My income is subject to AMT tax. As such, the only deductions I get to use are the home mortgage interest deduction and the reduced AMT reduction (subject to phase out). I cannot deduct state income taxes, property taxes, and I lose all four personal exemptions. And don't even get me started on my ISO's.....sigh.

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Post subject: Re: Tom Brady

Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 10:01 am

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denisdman wrote:

At what point do you lose personal exemptions?

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Post subject: Re: Tom Brady

Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 10:12 am

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Easier if you just asked me how much I make?

Under the AMT, you cannot use personal exemptions. Without the AMT (regular tax code), they start phasing out at $305k for married. I will be stuck with the AMT.

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Post subject: Re: Tom Brady

Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 10:32 am

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denisdman wrote:

Easier if you just asked me how much I make?

Under the AMT, you cannot use personal exemptions. Without the AMT (regular tax code), they start phasing out at $305k for married. I will be stuck with the AMT.

Just playing set up man for you.

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Post subject: Re: Tom Brady

Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 10:34 am

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Seacrest wrote:

denisdman wrote:

Easier if you just asked me how much I make?

Under the AMT, you cannot use personal exemptions. Without the AMT (regular tax code), they start phasing out at $305k for married. I will be stuck with the AMT.

Just playing set up man for you.

I'll let you know if I need to impress any chicks. That would work real well.

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Post subject: Re: Tom Brady

Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 10:36 am

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Between this thread and the Belichick thread, bigfan is really Appreciating Greatness around here.

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Post subject: Re: Tom Brady

Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 11:03 am

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spanky wrote:

Please list the ways that the Bears cheated this year.

They didn't field a competitive team and gave the ball away a lot. Not so much cheating for them, but helping out the other guys.

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Post subject: Re: Tom Brady

Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 11:11 am

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badrogue17 wrote:

You have one game to win you taking Brady or Montana?

I would take Bellichek before a QB. He could somehow defy all the odds and make a SB with Jay Cutler.

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Nas

Post subject: Re: Tom Brady

Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 11:12 am

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The structure of the league made it easy for a guy like Montana and the 49ers. I do not believe they had a salary cap back then and free agency was not around for a large part of his career. Brady has played with 1 elite receiver for a year and he put up video game numbers. I'm not sure if Brady is the GOAT but what he has accomplished is more impressive than what Montana did.

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Post subject: Re: Tom Brady

Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 11:14 am

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We can say without a doubt that he is better than Peyton Manning. I'm satisfied with that.

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Post subject: Re: Tom Brady

Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 11:17 am

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Who wins; Brady vs 85 Bears? I'll hang up and listen for my answer...

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