We could be 8-8 with him!

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But they took Cutler on the Mount Rushmore of assholes

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

Didn't they sign Ray McDonald after trading Marshall? Maybe McDonald is the asshole they know or maybe Marshall was a true cancer in the locker room, but there was definitely a threshold for taking a chance on a player with questionable character.

I think Fox is OK with bad guys as long as they don't cause problems in the locker room.
I would not allow anyone that abuses women on my team, and my team would be terrible.

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How many NFL players have been accused (or convicted) of abusing women?

My team isn't a court of law.

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I'll stand with you on this one. Milton Bradley level of bad.

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That's a little unreasonable if you're assuming that a large % of players are women beaters though. The number of actual players being accused of abuse is probably extremely low, and probably extremely low even if you add in a few that never made it to the public.

Here's some info from 2014: http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/the- ... l-players/


There are 83 domestic violence arrests, making it by far the NFL’s worst category — with a relative arrest rate of 55.4 percent.

Although this is still lower than the national average, it’s extremely high relative to expectations. That 55.4 percent is more than four times worse than the league’s arrest rate for all offenses (13 percent), and domestic violence accounts for 48 percent of arrests for violent crimes among NFL players, compared to our estimated 21 percent nationally.

Moreover, relative to the income level (top 1 percent) and poverty rate (0 percent) of NFL players, the domestic violence arrest rate is downright extraordinary. According to a 2002 Bureau of Justice Statistics Report covering 1993 to 1998, the domestic victimization rate for women in households with income greater than $75,000 (3.3 per 100,000) was about 39 percent of the overall rate (8.4 per 100,000), and less than 20 percent of the rate for women ages 20 to 34. That report doesn’t include cross-tabs, and it’s a little out of date (more current data is harder to find because more recent BJS reports on the issue do not include income breakdowns), but that sub-20 percent relative victimization among high-income households is consistent with the NFL’s 13 percent relative arrest rate overall (arrest disparities between income levels are probably even greater than victimization rates).

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You should at least give up the "serious problems" angle. I remember back in 2012 or so we debated this and you even said you would drop it if he could make it 3-4 years without problems, but you didn't think that was possible. It's happened.

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Well, he supposedly was pretty horrible to be around as a Bear, but if you want to put into evidence his 3 or 4 years of not having legal issues then feel free. I'm surprised he didn't.

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I don't know how you can definitively say he had any problems last year. The two guys that seemed to have a problem with him were Trestman and Gould. One is one of the most inept head coaches we have ever seen, the other is a fucking kicker who's posing as a team leader because the team has no leaders. It seems entirely reasonable to blame whatever blowup he may or may not have had in the locker room last year on the environment he was in. When it comes to legal trouble, the evidence seems to be mounting that his past legal issues were primarily a result of an undiagnosed mental disorder.

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He was traded for some reason, and it wasn't because Robbie Gould or a former coach said so.

If you want to give him a pass for his long history of legal issues then I understand. I'm still not ready to say he is done with them though he does seem to have focused himself on telling everyone he has a mental disorder at any chance.

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I honestly don't know what else you want him to do to make it as clear as possible that he's not the same person as when he was going around undiagnosed and untreated. He's shown remorse, he's worked above and beyond any obligation to raise awareness for recognizing and treating mental disorders, and most importantly, he's stayed clear of any legal trouble. In 5 years, are you still gonna say the same thing? 10 years?

It's entirely possible the Bears traded him because the Bears don't know what the fuck they are doing. I'm not gonna use that trade in and of itself as evidence Marshall was a problem here.

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His past will always be his past. However, he has surprised me by not getting arrested during his time as a Bear so that is a good start.
So you've now discounted three reasons pointing to Marshall being horrible to be around as a Bear. How many reasons do you need before you won't?

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What are the three reasons?

1. A rookie GM who almost certainly doesn't know what he's doing traded him. OK.

2. Trestman and Robbie Gould didn't like him. I don't even know how true this is, but ok.

3. Legal problems from 5+ years ago when he was undiagnosed and untreated for a mental disorder we know for a fact now that he does actually have. It becomes even easier to dismiss this when you remember that they immediately signed Ray McDonald after trading Marshall.

That's some seriously thin reasoning. Do you have something of any substance from the past 3+ years as to why he's a problem in the locker room?

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wow BRick going at with FF it this ought to be boring

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

Rick, what could he possibly do to absolve himself in your eyes? It sounds like there is nothing.

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1) Major issues with the head coach.
2) Tried to fight the kicker.
3) Traded from the Bears because they didn't want him around.

I'll add in.
4) Called out by Forte after he was traded.
5) Took shots at the Bears after he was traded.

This all points to him being horrible to be around as a Bear.

So, that is 5 total reasons. I will not provide more. If that isn't enough for you to think it is fair to think that Marshall was a locker room problem then I won't ever convince you.

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I bet Seacrest posses the ability to forgive Brandon Marshall. Score another one for the moral, religious folk.

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That could describe Dennis Rodman as a Spur. He ended doing pretty well with the Bulls.

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Absolve? No, his violent history can never be absolved.

He can continue to be better and avoid legal issues and it gets much easier to believe he has changed. However, he does still seem to be a disruptive presence but at least he doesn't seem violent any more.

I'm also a little skeptical about his constant promotion about his "mental illness". Seems like another way of self promoting just like the terrible idea of doing Inside the NFL.

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Yeah, and now he is working with one of the worst dictators of our time.

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C'mon. That's very clearly just because you simply don't like the guy. It's easier to interpret that as him trying using his voice and platform to raise awareness for getting checked and diagnosed. He seems very authentic and genuine when recounting how many issues being untreated caused him early in his career.

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If Brandon Marshall had helped bring three titles to Chicago, he could go play pickup games with ISIS all he wanted in my book.

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Bad trade.



A kicker's feelings should never be considered ever. In anything.

I cant stand when anyone uses the Rodman trade as an example of how you can take an asshole and win with him. Fact is Rodman fell in line because he knew if his antics created a negative effect on the team he would be out with one guys nod of the head. He knew it, everyone on that team knew it. Hell, the coach knew it ! There would be no second chance, no warnings, no talks, it would be a quick exit one day.

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I almost forgot his victim blaming press conference he did on his own.

That was authentic too.

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Still never played on a team who made the playoffs.

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His fault

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