This thread is exhausting, particularly because it's like blind people arguing about which primary color is the best one.

One is not gender specific. The other one is.

If women had to not eat meat while the men all had steak dinners to celebrate then it would be the same.

You missed the point. Both seem silly and unnecessary.

We've been told each person has his or her own version of Islam. That being the case, are there any men who wear the hijab or an equivalent?

There is no issue with Muslims who don't believe in Islam.

The problem is that there is no majority Muslim country that you could live in. You'd open that yap of yours and get caned or beheaded in a moment.

The problem with the hijab is that it is admittedly a method of oppression that is gender specific. They phrase it with "modesty" and "only for husband" but it is a way for inequality. If it wasn't then you'd have men wearing a male hijab for "modesty" and "only for wife".

Is that really our concern though?

Would you support a France-esque type of ban on wearing the hijab in public here in the US?

That is a really tough question. I'd probably say no but for other reasons. We can't fix every problem with laws.

That is a really tough question. I'd probably say no but for other reasons. We can't fix every problem with laws.

I would definitely outlaw any type of full face covering with exceptions for Halloween and extremely cold weather. I think the headscarf/hijab is something a woman has the right to wear but it shouldn't be celebrated as some sort of heroic act, but rather stigmatized in the same way wearing a Confederate flag t-shirt is in polite society, i.e. by anyone with teeth and an education above fourth grade level.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

Do you believe that the headgear which Rabbis wear should also be stigmatized?

Similarly...why do catholic priests need to wear their uncomfortable getup?

You mean a hat? No.

Forgot about nuns... what do the male nuns wear?

Oh, there aren't any? Why don't the males need to live under vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience?

Why do you need to draw a line? Who cares if other people criticize the way you are Lutheran / Catholic / Muslim?

I'm a big dumb shitlib baby

Forgot about nuns... what do the male nuns wear?

Oh, there aren't any? Why don't the males need to live under vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience?

rpb is wrong. Phil McCracken is useful.

RPB is right. You suck.

You have to know there is a difference between taking a voluntary position in the church and being born and raised with something for all in the religion.

Please take note that there are MANY muslim women that do not where hijab. It is uncommon in many Muslim countries. Also, there is no requirement to wear a hjiab found in the Quran.

I believe they are called priests...and they have vows of poverty, chastity and obedience...

Priests do not take vows...and are only loosely committed to chastity. They definitely do not live in poverty or obedience.

Priests do not take vows...and are only loosely committed to chastity. They definitely do not live in poverty or obedience.

rpb is wrong. Phil McCracken is useful.

RPB is right. You suck.

Forgot about nuns... what do the male nuns wear?

Oh, there aren't any? Why don't the males need to live under vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience?

Good post. Why does this discussion have to be such a headache inducing binary argument? There are terrorists and their organizations that are in fact Muslim. They may be bastardizing the Koran or following it way too literally I don't know. But in their perverted way they have waged a religious inspired campaign.

There naturally are MANY Muslims that for a variety of reasons do not do this and live what we would call a normal life. Labeling all Muslims as savages or terrorists is obviously wrong.

If you take away the terror it is not so hard to understand as many religions have their core beliefs or doctrines watered down so to speak in more progressive lands. A simple example is the American Catholic. Many are not doing things the same as many Catholics in Rome. Or Orthodox Jews versus progressive "cultural Jews".

So the discussion or solution we need is not to debate the above to death. It is how to identify and eliminate the threat to us from those Muslims that mean to do us harm. That is not easy but that is where the debate effort really belongs.

So you've never heard of monks living in a monastery then?

As I said ... blind people arguing colors.

This thread is exhausting, particularly because it's like blind people arguing about which primary color is the best one.