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I don't understand either of the last 2 responses.


That they may have a Blue Dog???

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I don't understand either of the last 2 responses.

Not surprising considering you've never heard of Steven Colbert


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I don't understand either of the last 2 responses.

Not surprising considering you've never heard of Steven Colbert

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First of all, the POTUS used his religious conviction as a reason to deny gay marriage rights when he was first elected.

Secondly, The EPC does give her protections. So her's are being denied.

Finally, as I asserted earlier, she can choose not to stand in the way of others in the office and still be following her conscience.


1) He did not and does not have the authority to deny any citizen any civil right as set forth in the Constitution. He was stating his then personal preference. What he may (or truthfully may not have) expressed as his conviction is irrelevant to this discussion.

2) Again, she has protections as a private citizen. However, acting in her official capacity and with the color of law she may not unconstitutionally deny others that right. Consider the right to free speech. It is only the government that is denied from abridging an individual's right to free speech. Here she is a govt. actor, with authority of law, in that role she is expressly prohibited from denying others their full constitutional rights.

Like you said, she simply can express her personal conscientious objection and step aside but allow other public officials in her office the opportunity to follow the law of the land and provide that all private citizens' constitutional rights are not abridged. All here would respect that to varying degrees.

But to be an attention whore she chose not to.

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First of all, the POTUS used his religious conviction as a reason to deny gay marriage rights when he was first elected.

Secondly, The EPC does give her protections. So her's are being denied.

Finally, as I asserted earlier, she can choose not to stand in the way of others in the office and still be following her conscience.


1) He did not and does not have the authority to deny any citizen any civil right as set forth in the Constitution. He was stating his then personal preference. What he may (or truthfully may not have) expressed as his conviction is irrelevant to this discussion.

2) Again, she has protections as a private citizen. However, acting in her official capacity and with the color of law she may not unconstitutionally deny others that right. Consider the right to free speech. It is only the government that is denied from abridging an individual's right to free speech. Here she is a govt. actor, with authority of law, in that role she is expressly prohibited from denying others their full constitutional rights.

Like you said, she simply can express her personal conscientious objection and step aside but allow other public officials in her office the opportunity to follow the law of the land and provide that all private citizens' constitutional rights are not abridged. All here would respect that to varying degrees.

But to be an attention whore she chose not to.


His stated preference when he was elected directly contradicts the statement that once elected our personal beliefs are irrelevant.

Her rights are not taken away when she is elected.

And I'm not sensing that many here would respect her right to stay in office while not personally granting the license.

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Her rights are not taken away when she is elected.

When she acts as a private citizen, they're not. When she is acting in her official elected capacity, it is her responsibility to enforce the laws in place, without regard to her personal belief.

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And I'm not sensing that many here would respect her right to stay in office while not personally granting the license.


Personally, I would have respect for her if she did this.

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And I'm not sensing that many here would respect her right to stay in office while not personally granting the license.


I know pharmacists who currently do this with Plan B. They step away and have somebody else complete the transaction.

I respect their choice.

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I don't understand either of the last 2 responses.

Not surprising considering you've never heard of Steven Colbert

ok

I guess that wasnt a joke about Colbert?


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rogers park bryan wrote:
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I don't understand either of the last 2 responses.

Not surprising considering you've never heard of Steven Colbert

ok

I guess that wasnt a joke about Colbert?

Not following, I am sorry. But if you are asking if I have ever heard of him, I probably used the wrong choice of words, I have heard of him, but have never heard or seen anything from him on the radio or tv.

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Her rights are not taken away when she is elected.

When she acts as a private citizen, they're not. When she is acting in her official elected capacity, it is her responsibility to enforce the laws in place, without regard to her personal belief.

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And I'm not sensing that many here would respect her right to stay in office while not personally granting the license.


Personally, I would have respect for her if she did this.



Your first premise is still yet to be decided. There will be cases in the next few years for sure.

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Not following, I am sorry. But if you are asking if I have ever heard of him, I probably used the wrong choice of words, I have heard of him, but have never heard or seen anything from him on the radio or tv.

Yea, I thought you were joking there and was just extending the joke. My fault.


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His stated preference when he was elected directly contradicts the statement that once elected our personal beliefs are irrelevant. His views changed before the Supreme Cts' did, and again we are dealing with private citizens' rights under the Constitution as verified by the Supreme Ct., something he cannot legally do (See: Lincoln and Habeas Corpus cases). Again, irrelevant.

Her rights are not taken away when she is elected. And again, as a government official acting with the color of law, that official is sworn to uphold the Constitution as defined by the Supreme Ct and not abridge the rights of others. Her preference does not come into play here.

And I'm not sensing that many here would respect her right to stay in office while not personally granting the license. Don't prejudge others, especially as you see this as such a dramatic slippery slope and are so swayed by emotion :lol:

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Not following, I am sorry. But if you are asking if I have ever heard of him, I probably used the wrong choice of words, I have heard of him, but have never heard or seen anything from him on the radio or tv.

Yea, I thought you were joking there and was just extending the joke. My fault.

No I really haven't but I don't watch any of those shows. Same with Jon Stewart or however you spell his name.

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Not following, I am sorry. But if you are asking if I have ever heard of him, I probably used the wrong choice of words, I have heard of him, but have never heard or seen anything from him on the radio or tv.

Yea, I thought you were joking there and was just extending the joke. My fault.

No I really haven't but I don't watch any of those shows. Same with Jon Stewart or however you spell his name.

Its actually Jahn Stoooword


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rogers park bryan wrote:
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Not following, I am sorry. But if you are asking if I have ever heard of him, I probably used the wrong choice of words, I have heard of him, but have never heard or seen anything from him on the radio or tv.

Yea, I thought you were joking there and was just extending the joke. My fault.

No I really haven't but I don't watch any of those shows. Same with Jon Stewart or however you spell his name.

Its actually Jahn Stoooword

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His stated preference when he was elected directly contradicts the statement that once elected our personal beliefs are irrelevant. His views changed before the Supreme Cts' did, and again we are dealing with private citizens' rights under the Constitution as verified by the Supreme Ct., something he cannot legally do (See: Lincoln and Habeas Corpus cases). Again, irrelevant.

Her rights are not taken away when she is elected. And again, as a government official acting with the color of law, that official is sworn to uphold the Constitution as defined by the Supreme Ct and not abridge the rights of others. Her preference does not come into play here.

And I'm not sensing that many here would respect her right to stay in office while not personally granting the license. Don't prejudge others, especially as you see this as such a dramatic slippery slope and are so swayed by emotion :lol:



1. His personal views had a direct bearing on what legislation he pushed in his first term. The Supreme Court decision has nothing to do with the statement that the POTUS, like many others in government, make decisions based upon their religious convictions. Our independence from an oppressive government was based upon that.
2. If her preference doesn't come into play, then how would she able to stay in office and refuse personally to uphold the Constitution herself? Talk about a slippery slope...
3. :lol: This was proposed earlier in the thread.

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Her rights are not taken away when she is elected.

When she acts as a private citizen, they're not. When she is acting in her official elected capacity, it is her responsibility to enforce the laws in place, without regard to her personal belief.

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And I'm not sensing that many here would respect her right to stay in office while not personally granting the license.


Personally, I would have respect for her if she did this.



Your first premise is still yet to be decided. There will be cases in the next few years for sure.


Well, the outcomes won't matter if they were put in place after people are elected.

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Her rights are not taken away when she is elected.

When she acts as a private citizen, they're not. When she is acting in her official elected capacity, it is her responsibility to enforce the laws in place, without regard to her personal belief.

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And I'm not sensing that many here would respect her right to stay in office while not personally granting the license.


Personally, I would have respect for her if she did this.



Your first premise is still yet to be decided. There will be cases in the next few years for sure.


Well, the outcomes weren't matter if they were put in place after people are elected.


Of course they can matter. Especially in cases where someone will claim civil disobedience.

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I can see why she married this guy twice. Wearing a straw hat with a green visor built in it and overalls to meet her when she gets out of jail. Solid.


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Maybe someone can answer this for me. After the SCOTUS makes that ruling on gay marriage do states still have to pass a proper constitutionally approved statute (in this case on marriage)? Or do they just let it be? The reason I ask is no matter how much I disagree with this woman is she in fact following the law as it is still on the books. Meaning that objectors still have to appeal it until the formality of making Kentucky or her county ordinance right for same sex couples?

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Seacrest, how do you feel about her unauthorized use of "Eye of the Tiger"?

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Maybe someone can answer this for me. After the SCOTUS makes that ruling on gay marriage do states still have to pass a proper constitutionally approved statute (in this case on marriage)? Or do they just let it be? The reason I ask is no matter how much I disagree with this woman is she in fact following the law as it is still on the books. Meaning that objectors still have to appeal it until the formality of making Kentucky or her county ordinance right for same sex couples?


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Maybe someone can answer this for me. After the SCOTUS makes that ruling on gay marriage do states still have to pass a proper constitutionally approved statute (in this case on marriage)? Or do they just let it be? The reason I ask is no matter how much I disagree with this woman is she in fact following the law as it is still on the books. Meaning that objectors still have to appeal it until the formality of making Kentucky or her county ordinance right for same sex couples?


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I know that. I am asking if states and so on need to fix all their laws or do they just go poof.

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Seacrest, how do you feel about her unauthorized use of "Eye of the Tiger"?



Anyone that still plays "eye of the tiger" should be subject to the death penalty.

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Maybe someone can answer this for me. After the SCOTUS makes that ruling on gay marriage do states still have to pass a proper constitutionally approved statute (in this case on marriage)? Or do they just let it be? The reason I ask is no matter how much I disagree with this woman is she in fact following the law as it is still on the books. Meaning that objectors still have to appeal it until the formality of making Kentucky or her county ordinance right for same sex couples?


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I know that. I am asking if states and so on need to fix all their laws or do they just go poof.


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Seacrest, how do you feel about her unauthorized use of "Eye of the Tiger"?



Anyone that still plays "eye of the tiger" should be subject to the death penalty.


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This woman has been going to church for ONLY 4 years. She's a money hungry bigot.



How do you arrive at that conclusion?


It's an educated guess based on her behavior and the time she's been in church. Did you see her speech today? It looked so fake.

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She's money hungry? She's making $80k/year in a town where the average income is $13k/year.

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She's money hungry? She's making $80k/year in a town where the average income is $13k/year.



You guys are weird. Of course she is wrong but why would you not expect an elected position to be 50-80k?

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