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yeah, it's just like any...american english has dialects that have to be hard to figure out for people learning the language too.

japanese is all about pronunciation. it's an extremely hard language to get the hang of if you have no ear for voices. i started learning it to try and join an away team to tokyo for amazon.com when i worked there years ago. i didn't have the seniority to get on the team and i've pretty much forgotten most of what i learned by now. i think i can still count to ten...


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japanese is all about pronunciation. it's an extremely hard language to get the hang of if you have no ear for voices. i started learning it to try and join an away team to tokyo for amazon.com when i worked there years ago. i didn't have the seniority to get on the team and i've pretty much forgotten most of what i learned by now. i think i can still count to ten...


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I'm not one of those people who is Polish-American with an emphasis on Polish. I never went to Saturday Polish school and I don't speak the language. I never lived in an ethnic ghetto and I was never pressured to associate only with my own. My great grandparents were the ones who came over and I was lucky enough to know one of them into my adult life, so that probably added to my identity. We have a fairly tight knit family that keeps some of the traditions but probably in an Americanized way. Poles would probably laugh if I identified as Polish and first generation immigrants certainly don't see me as connected to the country. I'm American with a sense of my heritage and an interest in politics. Your question is as odd to me as asking why I have five fingers. Its just who I am.

I also have appreciation and celebrate other cultures.

My kids are the first generation of my family on any level that are of mixed heritage (all my nieces and nephews and extended relatives of that age are as well but my age and before is all Polish). I take it upon myself for them to understand their heritage inherited from me as I know it. I support and encourage them to also learn about their Irish roots and I'll teach them about it as much as I know but ultimately that is on my wife and her family.

I think it is important to have a sense of identity, a connection to the past and a connection to the larger world.

However, identity is a strange thing. I am American of Polish ethnicity but my inherited sense of Polishness is informed by pre WW I, pre WW II and pre Communist identity. I can tell you to a certainty that those who lived through Communist occupation have a different sense of what it is to be Polish than I.

Ultimately, what the hell do I know? This is what I am and it doesn't seem so bad so I'll pass it on to my boys.

I do view life as being indebted to those who came before me and obliged to those who come after. I'm not blind to the fact that my forefathers were probably incestuous hillbillys who would get into bar fights with people who wore the wrong high school hat. However, without misery they never would have looked to US as a great alternative and I would not be who I am today.


The concept of "nationality" beyond simply being American is a very Chicago thing. ."


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good dolphin wrote:
I'm not one of those people who is Polish-American with an emphasis on Polish. I never went to Saturday Polish school and I don't speak the language. I never lived in an ethnic ghetto and I was never pressured to associate only with my own. My great grandparents were the ones who came over and I was lucky enough to know one of them into my adult life, so that probably added to my identity. We have a fairly tight knit family that keeps some of the traditions but probably in an Americanized way. Poles would probably laugh if I identified as Polish and first generation immigrants certainly don't see me as connected to the country. I'm American with a sense of my heritage and an interest in politics. Your question is as odd to me as asking why I have five fingers. Its just who I am.

I also have appreciation and celebrate other cultures.

My kids are the first generation of my family on any level that are of mixed heritage (all my nieces and nephews and extended relatives of that age are as well but my age and before is all Polish). I take it upon myself for them to understand their heritage inherited from me as I know it. I support and encourage them to also learn about their Irish roots and I'll teach them about it as much as I know but ultimately that is on my wife and her family.

I think it is important to have a sense of identity, a connection to the past and a connection to the larger world.

However, identity is a strange thing. I am American of Polish ethnicity but my inherited sense of Polishness is informed by pre WW I, pre WW II and pre Communist identity. I can tell you to a certainty that those who lived through Communist occupation have a different sense of what it is to be Polish than I.

Ultimately, what the hell do I know? This is what I am and it doesn't seem so bad so I'll pass it on to my boys.

I do view life as being indebted to those who came before me and obliged to those who come after. I'm not blind to the fact that my forefathers were probably incestuous hillbillys who would get into bar fights with people who wore the wrong high school hat. However, without misery they never would have looked to US as a great alternative and I would not be who I am today.


The concept of "nationality" beyond simply being American is a very Chicago thing. ."


No it's not.


Yeah, it really is. As W_Z said, maybe a thing in large cities with homogeneous immigrant neighborhoods. I spent several winters in Central Florida and never once heard someone mention his or her "nationality". I've spent months in Lexington, KY, people don't identify like that there either.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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I'm not one of those people who is Polish-American with an emphasis on Polish. I never went to Saturday Polish school and I don't speak the language. I never lived in an ethnic ghetto and I was never pressured to associate only with my own. My great grandparents were the ones who came over and I was lucky enough to know one of them into my adult life, so that probably added to my identity. We have a fairly tight knit family that keeps some of the traditions but probably in an Americanized way. Poles would probably laugh if I identified as Polish and first generation immigrants certainly don't see me as connected to the country. I'm American with a sense of my heritage and an interest in politics. Your question is as odd to me as asking why I have five fingers. Its just who I am.

I also have appreciation and celebrate other cultures.

My kids are the first generation of my family on any level that are of mixed heritage (all my nieces and nephews and extended relatives of that age are as well but my age and before is all Polish). I take it upon myself for them to understand their heritage inherited from me as I know it. I support and encourage them to also learn about their Irish roots and I'll teach them about it as much as I know but ultimately that is on my wife and her family.

I think it is important to have a sense of identity, a connection to the past and a connection to the larger world.

However, identity is a strange thing. I am American of Polish ethnicity but my inherited sense of Polishness is informed by pre WW I, pre WW II and pre Communist identity. I can tell you to a certainty that those who lived through Communist occupation have a different sense of what it is to be Polish than I.

Ultimately, what the hell do I know? This is what I am and it doesn't seem so bad so I'll pass it on to my boys.

I do view life as being indebted to those who came before me and obliged to those who come after. I'm not blind to the fact that my forefathers were probably incestuous hillbillys who would get into bar fights with people who wore the wrong high school hat. However, without misery they never would have looked to US as a great alternative and I would not be who I am today.


The concept of "nationality" beyond simply being American is a very Chicago thing. ."


No it's not.


Yeah, it really is. As W_Z said, maybe a thing in large cities with homogeneous immigrant neighborhoods. I spent several winters in Central Florida and never once heard someone mention his or her "nationality". I've spent months in Lexington, KY, people don't identify like that there either.


and I've spent time in rural Texas where they still speak German and another named Panna Maria where their ethnicity is definitely recognized

Florida is like Phoenix, a place with no past or future. Still, Miamians of Cuban or Caribbean descent certainly identify with their heritage.

You don't have to travel far from Florida to find places like Charleston that still maintain ethnic heritages. Immigrant cities across this country maintain immigrant traditions.

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and I've spent time in rural Texas where they still speak German and another named Panna Maria where their ethnicity is definitely recognized

Florida is like Phoenix, a place with no past or future. Still, Miamians of Cuban or Caribbean descent certainly identify with their heritage.

You don't have to travel far from Florida to find places like Charleston that still maintain ethnic heritages. Immigrant cities across this country maintain immigrant traditions.



I think we're talking about two different things. Of course first generation Americans are going to be in touch with their heritage. And yeah, there are ethnic enclaves all across the country. But I've never seen this pride in where one grandparent came from anywhere but Chicago. You're a 100 percent guy. I would expect you to have Polish traditions and connections. What I don't really understand is my sister's desire to see Ireland of all places. And there are lots of Chicagoans like her.

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and I've spent time in rural Texas where they still speak German and another named Panna Maria where their ethnicity is definitely recognized

Florida is like Phoenix, a place with no past or future. Still, Miamians of Cuban or Caribbean descent certainly identify with their heritage.

You don't have to travel far from Florida to find places like Charleston that still maintain ethnic heritages. Immigrant cities across this country maintain immigrant traditions.



I think we're talking about two different things. Of course first generation Americans are going to be in touch with their heritage. And yeah, there are ethnic enclaves all across the country. But I've never seen this pride in where one grandparent came from anywhere but Chicago. You're a 100 percent guy. I would expect you to have Polish traditions and connections. What I don't really understand is my sister's desire to see Ireland of all places. And there are lots of Chicagoans like her.


I have to tell you, I have no idea what you are talking about.

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and I've spent time in rural Texas where they still speak German and another named Panna Maria where their ethnicity is definitely recognized

Florida is like Phoenix, a place with no past or future. Still, Miamians of Cuban or Caribbean descent certainly identify with their heritage.

You don't have to travel far from Florida to find places like Charleston that still maintain ethnic heritages. Immigrant cities across this country maintain immigrant traditions.



I think we're talking about two different things. Of course first generation Americans are going to be in touch with their heritage. And yeah, there are ethnic enclaves all across the country. But I've never seen this pride in where one grandparent came from anywhere but Chicago. You're a 100 percent guy. I would expect you to have Polish traditions and connections. What I don't really understand is my sister's desire to see Ireland of all places. And there are lots of Chicagoans like her.


I have to tell you, I have no idea what you are talking about.


Really? You don't have any friends with an Irish great-grandparent or two who walk around wearing Chi-rish shirts? You don't know any guys who have no more than a single great grandparent from Sicily who act like they're Michael Corleone?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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and I've spent time in rural Texas where they still speak German and another named Panna Maria where their ethnicity is definitely recognized

Florida is like Phoenix, a place with no past or future. Still, Miamians of Cuban or Caribbean descent certainly identify with their heritage.

You don't have to travel far from Florida to find places like Charleston that still maintain ethnic heritages. Immigrant cities across this country maintain immigrant traditions.



I think we're talking about two different things. Of course first generation Americans are going to be in touch with their heritage. And yeah, there are ethnic enclaves all across the country. But I've never seen this pride in where one grandparent came from anywhere but Chicago. You're a 100 percent guy. I would expect you to have Polish traditions and connections. What I don't really understand is my sister's desire to see Ireland of all places. And there are lots of Chicagoans like her.


I have to tell you, I have no idea what you are talking about.


Really? You don't have any friends with an Irish great-grandparent or two who walk around wearing Chi-rish shirts? You don't know any guys who have no more than a single great grandparent from Sicily who act like they're Michael Corleone?


Yes but I thought you were trying to say that identifying with ethnicity only happens in Chicago.

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This.

Also known as I don't own up to having any German in my because that part of my family is all insane.

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Yes but I thought you were trying to say that identifying with ethnicity only happens in Chicago.


No, but it's very strong in Chicago. As I said, probably because the way the neighborhoods were segregated. Also, the pride seems to be stronger in those groups that were marginalized. For example, my aunt is a first generation Irish-American. Her kids- my cousins- identify as Irish. They ignore the entire other half. I'm almost as "German" as they are "Irish", but if I had a kid I wouldn't dress him in lederhosen.

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Tito's doesn't sound irish


Tito is obviously Thomas O'Shaughannassey

Just goes by Tito so he can seem diverse.

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My middle name is Orville. My dad and grandfather both had the same first name so I always used the O. middle initial. My father was so proud of his (half) Irish heritage that when I was in grade school he told me that on St. Patrick's day I should sign my papers FirstName O'VeryGermanLastName. I'm sure the teachers thought I was just fucking bizarre.

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Joe Orville Redenbacher Road.


Joe Orville Redenbacher Road Rod.

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Joe Orville Redenbacher Road.


Joe Orville Redenbacher Road Rod.


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Joe Orville Redenbacher Road.


Joe Orville Redenbacher Road Rod.


Joe Orville Redenbacher Road Rod Roddy


Joe Orville Redenbacher Road Rod Roddy Piper

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Did your Dad or you ever live on Joe Orville Road?


Joe Orville Redenbacher Road.


Joe Orville Redenbacher Road Rod.


Joe Orville Redenbacher Road Rod Roddy

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Did your Dad or you ever live on Joe Orville Road?


Joe Orville Redenbacher Road.


Joe Orville Redenbacher Road Rod.


Joe Orville Redenbacher Road Rod Roddy

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