Well that’s true too. The “liberals are forcing us to like the NBA!” whining is just weird and lame, but it’s probably best to ignore it going forward.

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talk about moving the goalposts.... ? your original complaint was made in the end of march. you complained WSCR was talking odel beckham and not regular season NBA. so now to fit your narrative you cherry pick WCF Game 7 against the NFL draft? WCF game 7 a little different than a regular season NBA game. so if you'd asked in march... i'd say odell beckham news more interesting than regular season basketball... WCF game 7 more interesting than odell beckham off-season news.

You can say Odell Beckham talk is more interesting than "playoff race" NBA but that doesn't make it factual.

You will find very little about off season football that is interesting enough to be discussed over a six month stretch of time. Absolutely nothing and OTA talks are the fucking worse and yoo hoo its about time to saddle up for that as well.

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of course it's not factual, it's my opinion. but as you like to call it "common sense" would dictate that a sport with TV revenues three times that of the NBA has significantly more fans... thus the number of people caring about an NFL off-season move is likely to be higher than the number of people caring about NBA playoff races. of course these fanbases are intertwined... but the fact remains there are signifcantly more people who prefer NFL to NBA, thus it is entirely reasonably to expect more chicagoans to be interested about national NFL off-season discussion than national NBA in season discussion.

You can say that "OTA talks are the fucking worse (sic)" but that doesn't make it factual.

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It isn't though. The NFL draft is the only thing that people care about during the offseason.

The Numbers for the NBA finals are about to dwarf that. Even the draft drops off significantly after the First round picks are chosen.


The NBA ratings were up significantly this season and during the post seaaon.

NFL ratings were down. I expect this trend to continue. One of the reasons provided had to do with oversaturation. Sports are primarily compelling when people are playing. Most people can care less when they aren't being played.

You have Baseball and Basketball in season and the best they can come up with is whether Kevin White is going to make the roster. PTFB

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Yes it does.

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you are not allowed to complain about moving goalposts ever again, because that is all YOU do. i make a comment about NBA regular season basketball.. you proceed to cite ratings of NBA finals vs. NFL off-season

National-level, off-season discussion of the NFL will engage with NFL fans at some unknown rate, let's call it X.

National-level, in-season discussion of the NBA will engage with NBA fans at some unknown rate, let's call it Y.

Let's call the total number of NFL fans in the coverage area of WSCR's signal (the original station that touched off the controversy here) X'.

Let's call the total number of NBA fans in the coverage area of WSCR's signal Y'.

In order for the premise "National NBA talk is more appealing/compelling in March than off-season national NFL talk" to be true, the following must be true:

Y*Y' > X*X'

Let's pick some figures for X and Y, just for fun. I'll say that 40% of NFL fans will find off-season, national-level discussion of the league to be interesting/compelling, and I'll also say that 80% of NBA fans find in-season, national-level NBA discussion to be the same. That means 2 out of every 5 NFL fans want to hear about Odell Beckham in March, whereas 4 out of every 5 NBA fans would like to hear about any out-of-town NBA matchup in March. I'd say that's fair, if not shaded a little bit towards the NBA's favor.

Let's plug those in, we now have:

0.8*Y' > 0.4*X'

Now we have to approximate the relative size of each sport's respective fandom. I think it would be reasonable to approximate the distribution of fandom in this town based on national distributions of same. There doesn't appear to be a reason for fans in this town to skew away from national trends towards NFL or NBA fandom, at least to me. I also think that regular season tv ratings are the best bet we have at approximating "true" sizes of each fandom, and it also helps that TV ratings have been discussed a lot for each league in this thread. in the 2017-2018 season, the NBA averaged 1.4 million viewers on national telecasts this year. The NFL for the same time frame averaged 14.9 million viewers per game. Let's call it 1.5 and 15 for each respective league a ratio of NFL to NBA fandom of 10:1.

But that's not entirely fair: The NBA has a much longer season than the NFL. Let's express "total viewership" instead. With the 1.5 million viewership average of the NBA, with 30 teams playing an 82 game season, that results in 1230 individual games played. As a fudge factor, we will assume that all NBA games get their national broadcast viewership, resulting in 1.845 billion views of a regular NBA season. The NFL has 32 teams playing a 16 game season, for 256 discreet matchups, resulting in 3.84 billion views per regular NFL season. The average NFL season viewership is a little more than twice the size of the average NBA season viewership. Let's call it 2:1, NFL to NBA. Let's plug and chug:

0.8*1.845 > 0.4*3.84

1.476 > 1.536?

Hmm, something isn't right with our original premise, because the figures used, the ones heavily slated towards the NBA (remember, each NBA regular season matchup got its national broadcast equivalent viewership, while the NFL just got the actual average rating for each game), give us an absurd result.

Given these figures, I would bet good money that the sheer size of NFL fandom makes off-season NFL discussion, even at a national level, more compelling to a greater number of listeners than does regular season, national-level, NBA discussion.

I was told there'd be no math...

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but JLN, NBA finals ratings are going to be much higher than the NFL draft... so there, im right

Your opinions, however silly they may be, are not facts.

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Silly opinion? OTA talk is terrible and if you disagree THAT is a ridiculous opinion.

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a lot of words
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Anyone can feel free to point out absurdity in my methodology.

Also of note is the difference between the average NFL in-season game and the NFL Draft, 14.9 million and 11 million, respectively. If an off-season NFL event can draw 74% of the eyes that show up for a regular season game, it is likely that off-season talk is more compelling than my conservative 40% figure.

What's more, in 2017 the NFL's strictly national windows (SNF, MNF, TNF) averaged 13.3 million viewers. Now we're looking at the draft drawing 84% of the amount of viewers who show up for national broadcasts. The numbers available really do point to the average NFL fan being very interested in national-level NFL media, regardless of season state. Incorporating even a 70% figure for X in the above calculations results in a tentative Fan Interest Index for the NFL of 2.688, almost double that of the NBA's in-season FII. Even if we assume every NBA fan is interested in consumption of media about the NBA on a national scale (Y=1), a 70% NFL off-season fan interest rate still results in a FII 32% larger than the NBA's.

That is why Chicago sports talk radio talks about Odell Beckham in March over a Jazz-Thunder game the previous night.

This is false. The NFL draft doesn't avg. 11 million viewers. It avg. 5 mil viewers. First day had 11 mil viewers. Last day had 2 mil.

Your numbers are off.

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My numbers are just fine. I was referencing the total draw of the NFL draft, not the average. I can recompute the figures with the actual total Draft viewership, drawing closer and closer to 100% of the average national NFL game viewership, if you'd like, but it would just make me appear more right.

If I wanted to talk about the average viewership of the NFL Draft, I would average the total viewership of the last few years, not the average across the different days. The multi-day average doesn't tell us much of anything other than the first day of the draft is more popular than the second and third days. That's a question we're not interested in answering right now.

Huh? avg over the different days?

If they avg 5 mil over 3 days the total viewership is 15 mil. You don't have to do much number crunching for that and its not an arduous exercise so lets not bother making it into one.

You might want to actually read for a change before going into your customary dismissal act.

"That's not a question we're interested in answering right now" I wonder why?

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So more than 100% of the number of NFL fans who watch nationally slated games show up for an off-season NFL event?

Thank you for stating exactly why Odell Beckham is discussed in March. Take a seat.

The millionth self congratulatory declaration of an imaginary message board victory. Predictable.

At some point cash in your poker chips. Don't play the Buffet coupon as part of the money you have to gamble with. Actually eat the Buffet meal. Make sure you have enough to satisfy the requirements of the Indiana tollway and simply bring your ass home before you are even more bankrupt than you were before you left for the Casino.

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What?

MANY have tried to present common sense arguments, LTG continues to persist. it is very impressive

I'm glad you were impressed by that.

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This might be one of the dumbest arguments that you have ever attempted to make and that says a lot provided the particular subject. You really aren't particularly bright are you?

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Over the tens of thousands of "pot calling the kettle black" type posts on this board, this is the mother of them all.

Of all people to say something like this. LTG is either a very poor act, or he doesn't play with a full deck. There is literally no other explanation possible. Either way, I feel sorry for him.

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You are one of the dimmest bulbs inhabiting the place. It took you 2 days to figure out that a mult is a mult and you persist in arguing with a guy that has no interest in responding to you. How smart is that you damn clown?

You stalked the previous owner of this site to the point where you had to be banned on several occasions and you have the gall to question anyone's intellect.

In terms of carrying on arguments no one is better than you or the dude you are currently defending. Even when provided with information to the contrary you persist in debating.

You have already been proven wrong about this and rather than admit it you choose to make it about me. Its not surprising because that is what you do when people disagree with you.

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15 million viewers for a Game 7 matchup between G.S.-Houston. Why oh why are they talking NBA? No one cares about it.

https://www.nba.com/article/2018/05/29/ ... tv-history

18 mil at its peak.

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That's less average than a blowout NCAA championship game that was down 30 percent because the game wasn't interesting.

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