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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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Anyone bother reading what Lauer wrote ?
:lol: There's personal vendetta's to carry out from completely unrelated threads and stories! Why BRick gets a pass for following people around the board like this I'll never know. And yes, BRick, your tying together of the stories using "benefit of the doubt" is specious at best.
Once again, I'm sorry for making a joke about you being a lawyer. I regret it to this day.
I'm not accusing you of following me around the board with that. I think it was just kind of a dick move when I was trying to have an honest discussion with you for once. But don't lie and tell me you regret it.


Maybe it was. Can you understand why anyone would be suspicious about you actually having an honest discussion?

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Nas wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
Anyone bother reading what Lauer wrote ?
:lol: There's personal vendetta's to carry out from completely unrelated threads and stories! Why BRick gets a pass for following people around the board like this I'll never know. And yes, BRick, your tying together of the stories using "benefit of the doubt" is specious at best.
Once again, I'm sorry for making a joke about you being a lawyer. I regret it to this day.
I'm not accusing you of following me around the board with that. I think it was just kind of a dick move when I was trying to have an honest discussion with you for once. But don't lie and tell me you regret it.


Maybe it was. Can you understand why anyone would be suspicious about you actually having an honest discussion?
Yeah because they'll probably lose.


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Anyone bother reading what Lauer wrote ?


He seems to do a lot of what he accuses Farrow of doing: calling up people to corroborate a story but leaving them unnamed.
I'm reading through it now, at the first instance of him contacting the Peacock Productions superior Farrow claimed the accuser told about Lauer at the time, and haven't seen him criticize Farrow for naming sources. Is that coming after the part I'm at now?


Yes. I believe that's the only person he mentions by name.

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Nas wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
Anyone bother reading what Lauer wrote ?
:lol: There's personal vendetta's to carry out from completely unrelated threads and stories! Why BRick gets a pass for following people around the board like this I'll never know. And yes, BRick, your tying together of the stories using "benefit of the doubt" is specious at best.
Once again, I'm sorry for making a joke about you being a lawyer. I regret it to this day.
I'm not accusing you of following me around the board with that. I think it was just kind of a dick move when I was trying to have an honest discussion with you for once. But don't lie and tell me you regret it.


Maybe it was. Can you understand why anyone would be suspicious about you actually having an honest discussion?
Yeah because they'll probably lose.


I'm probably doing it wrong, but I've never viewed an honest discussion as something where there is a winner and loser. We all should win from honest discussions.

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
Anyone bother reading what Lauer wrote ?
:lol: There's personal vendetta's to carry out from completely unrelated threads and stories! Why BRick gets a pass for following people around the board like this I'll never know. And yes, BRick, your tying together of the stories using "benefit of the doubt" is specious at best.
Once again, I'm sorry for making a joke about you being a lawyer. I regret it to this day.
I'm not accusing you of following me around the board with that. I think it was just kind of a dick move when I was trying to have an honest discussion with you for once. But don't lie and tell me you regret it.
I regret it because it stopped you from being the board lawyer and turned you into the board traffic cop in this thread.

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Nas wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
Anyone bother reading what Lauer wrote ?
:lol: There's personal vendetta's to carry out from completely unrelated threads and stories! Why BRick gets a pass for following people around the board like this I'll never know. And yes, BRick, your tying together of the stories using "benefit of the doubt" is specious at best.
Once again, I'm sorry for making a joke about you being a lawyer. I regret it to this day.
I'm not accusing you of following me around the board with that. I think it was just kind of a dick move when I was trying to have an honest discussion with you for once. But don't lie and tell me you regret it.


Maybe it was. Can you understand why anyone would be suspicious about you actually having an honest discussion?
Yeah because they'll probably lose.

Yeah no. The second you are losing you post 2 pages of bullshit to distract. The next time you have an honest conversation on here will be the first.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
Anyone bother reading what Lauer wrote ?
:lol: There's personal vendetta's to carry out from completely unrelated threads and stories! Why BRick gets a pass for following people around the board like this I'll never know. And yes, BRick, your tying together of the stories using "benefit of the doubt" is specious at best.
Once again, I'm sorry for making a joke about you being a lawyer. I regret it to this day.
I'm not accusing you of following me around the board with that. I think it was just kind of a dick move when I was trying to have an honest discussion with you for once. But don't lie and tell me you regret it.
I regret it because it stopped you from being the board lawyer and turned you into the board traffic cop in this thread.
It clearly hasn't stopped me. Remember how silly I made you look with your "BUT WHAT ABOUT FIRE CODES?!" bullshit?

Anyway, can you explain, without using "benefit of the doubt" how WfR's Arbery takes are sufficiently related to Ronan Farrow's possible journalistic malfeasance to warrant your whataboutism in this thread?


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It clearly hasn't stopped me. Remember how silly I made you look with your "BUT WHAT ABOUT FIRE CODES?!" bullshit?
You walked that thing back so quickly I didn't even have to respond to it.

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Anyway, can you explain, without using "benefit of the doubt" how WfR's Arbery takes are sufficiently related to Ronan Farrow's possible journalistic malfeasance to warrant your whataboutism in this thread?
Sure.

I'll make it even easier.

____________ was treated unfairly because the circumstantial evidence that he was engaged in criminal activity was treated as proof that he was engaged in criminal activity.

You can put Matt Lauer's name in there for that thought _________ but you also need to put Arbery's name in there.

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It clearly hasn't stopped me. Remember how silly I made you look with your "BUT WHAT ABOUT FIRE CODES?!" bullshit?
You walked that thing back so quickly I didn't even have to respond to it.

What? Oh that's right you tried to make my argument into "all churches are always exempt from whatever they want to be" kind of strawman, and I stopped you. That's not "walking it back".


Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Anyway, can you explain, without using "benefit of the doubt" how WfR's Arbery takes are sufficiently related to Ronan Farrow's possible journalistic malfeasance to warrant your whataboutism in this thread?
Sure.

I'll make it even easier.

____________ was treated unfairly because the circumstantial evidence that he was engaged in criminal activity was treated as proof that he was engaged in criminal activity.
Lying about corroborating claims from sources has nothing to do with circumstantial evidence. Have anything else?


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You really know modern post-modern liberalism is really on the ropes when you've got Brick and B Mac stretching to these lengths. Note how they want to talk as little about #metoo as possible, it's just deflections. Deep down even they know their ideology is cooked.

I guess they see it as too late in the game to change teams? Maybe they actually take this stuff so seriously they won't acknowledge how wrong they are because they've actually developed a personal dislike of their opponent and refuse to back down on those grounds?

I don't know. But I definitely can read between the lines of Brick justifying his insane comparison here by saying what happened to Lauer and Arbery are both "things that happened to people". It means the only leg he has left to stand on is fantasy hypocrisy he can try and catch people in.


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What? Oh that's right you tried to make my argument into "all churches are always exempt from whatever they want to be" kind of strawman, and I stopped you. That's not "walking it back".
No, the question was if churches are exempt from occupancy limits, you posted an article that you thought answered that and walked it back and pretended that wasn't the initial question and then called it a strawman to ask my initial question again. It's nearly the definition of walking back a post and ironically, I had let you do it which is funny given your comments in this thread.

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The level of taking shots at Jorr is certainly different. You've never called Jorr a racist Klansman, which is akin to calling someone subhuman now. And you don't troll anyone at the same level by bringing up old threads again and again and picking a single detail and repeating it like it's something so stupid that whoever thought it is inferior.
I can think of a few who would disagree with you. I don't think I ever called you a racist Klansman either. Then again, I learned yesterday that Nazi may not in fact be in reference to Hitler and it instead is simply an authoritarian, so maybe I just meant you were a member of a social club.

By the way, can you quote me where I called you a racist Klansman? I want to have the full picture on it.

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It's not likely to jog in Timberlands. People usually don't repeatedly stop by construction sites while jogging. He lived nowhere near the area. Those facts in total make me question the official version that he was jogging. And now there is a witness and a police report from an earlier confrontation between those involved in this incident.
The problem is that you are putting the victim, and he was a victim, on trial here but you aren't doing the same thing for Lauer who has a lot of reasons to not believe his story that are far more than an illogical shoe choice.

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The rarity of white on black violence also makes me question the official story that these were just evil racists who chose to go "hunting". It seems likely they had a history and reason to confront him. Unless you think the data is all made up inter-racial violence is 90 percent black on white. So the media narrative was just ridiculous. Here are the government numbers: https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv18.pdf
You keep on trying to shift it to this discussion when no one that I saw was doing this. It won't work here either.


So you are going to selectively respond to the post. At this point it's becoming a waste of time. Matt Lauer is not "the victim" here. It's the person saying she was raped. And that story has a lot of holes in it. Just like saying a guy was jogging, and then for no reason at all shot. We can either say this is what the facts show or just roll our eyes and say another case of "injustice".

You have called me David Duke. You have suggested that I was not saying what I really meant in past discussions. As this discussion shows though you don't want to discuss the facts or statistics but rather suggest a bias exists with someone if they disagree with you.

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So you are going to selectively respond to the post. At this point it's becoming a waste of time. Matt Lauer is not "the victim" here. It's the person saying she was raped. And that story has a lot of holes in it. Just like saying a guy was jogging, and then for no reason at all shot. We can either say this is what the facts show or just roll our eyes and say another case of "injustice".
What didn't I respond to? I apologize if I missed something. Quote it and I'll respond to it.

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You have called me David Duke.
Please use this reference from now on then, and I will point out it was done as a joke. I will say once again I don't really think you are a racist Klansman but I'm sure you'll say it again when it can be used to deflect away from something else.

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You have suggested that I was not saying what I really meant in past discussions. As this discussion shows though you don't want to discuss the facts or statistics but rather suggest a bias exists with someone if they disagree with you.
Yes. I often think you stop just short of saying your true feelings on matters like this.

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What? Oh that's right you tried to make my argument into "all churches are always exempt from whatever they want to be" kind of strawman, and I stopped you. That's not "walking it back".
No, the question was if churches are exempt from occupancy limits,
No, it wasn't. It was whether codes like that can be restrictions on free exercise.

Here is you asking the question, please note that it is not whether churches are exempt from occupancy limits, but whether a building code "is a restriction on the free exercise of religion". Also note that the question is posed as whether a specific code is or can be a restriction on free exercise, not whether the concept of building codes as a whole are restrictions on free exercise:

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Let's say there is a small church that only can handle 100 people in it per service. When they reach 100, they are not allowed to let anyone else in. Is this a restriction of the free exercise of religion?


viewtopic.php?f=173&t=121259&p=3441063&#p3441072

And here's you trying to pretend you asked a different question once I had shown you that yes, indeed, codes can be restrictions on free exercise. Again note that you tried to pretend I answered the question "are churches exempt from building codes because of free exercise?" when in reality I answered your original question of whether specific codes can be a restriction on free exercise:

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So churches are exempt from occupancy limits? Interesting. I'll have to research that further.


viewtopic.php?f=173&t=121259&&start=1410#p3441186

Eat a bag of dicks you lying sack of shit, don't try to pull that bullshit on me.


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I love this place because a thread about #metoo can devolve into a debate over church occupancy limits.

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Here is you asking the question, please note that it is not whether churches are exempt from occupancy limits, but whether a building code "is a restriction on the free exercise of religion". Also note that the question is posed as whether a specific code is or can be a restriction on free exercise, not whether the concept of building codes as a whole are restrictions on free exercise:

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Let's say there is a small church that only can handle 100 people in it per service. When they reach 100, they are not allowed to let anyone else in. Is this a restriction of the free exercise of religion? [/quote
:lol: Bold text is an occupancy limit. Also, please stop following me around with this. I don't know why people let you get away with it.

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Here is you asking the question, please note that it is not whether churches are exempt from occupancy limits, but whether a building code "is a restriction on the free exercise of religion". Also note that the question is posed as whether a specific code is or can be a restriction on free exercise, not whether the concept of building codes as a whole are restrictions on free exercise:

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Let's say there is a small church that only can handle 100 people in it per service. When they reach 100, they are not allowed to let anyone else in. Is this a restriction of the free exercise of religion? [/quote
:lol: Bold text is an occupancy limit. Also, please stop following me around with this. I don't know why people let you get away with it.


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Is this a restriction of the free exercise of religion?


Rick, does the quote immediately above look like "are churches exempt from occupancy limits?" to you?

Again, eat a bag of dicks you lying sack of shit.


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So you are going to selectively respond to the post. At this point it's becoming a waste of time. Matt Lauer is not "the victim" here. It's the person saying she was raped. And that story has a lot of holes in it. Just like saying a guy was jogging, and then for no reason at all shot. We can either say this is what the facts show or just roll our eyes and say another case of "injustice".
What didn't I respond to? I apologize if I missed something. Quote it and I'll respond to it.

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You have called me David Duke.
Please use this reference from now on then, and I will point out it was done as a joke. I will say once again I don't really think you are a racist Klansman but I'm sure you'll say it again when it can be used to deflect away from something else.

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You have suggested that I was not saying what I really meant in past discussions. As this discussion shows though you don't want to discuss the facts or statistics but rather suggest a bias exists with someone if they disagree with you.
Yes. I often think you stop just short of saying your true feelings on matters like this.


So your position is, I was just joking when I called you a racist Klansman, but I believe you are lying and not saying what you really mean on these matters. That's some of the most bad faith and insulting discussion done on the board.

I have repeatedly said that my biggest problem with the Arbery case was that it was portrayed as a common part of the black experience. That's a disgusting lie. I then provided you with the victim statistics compiled by the government. But you don't want to take the conversation that way. The only reason we know about this rare occurrence is that the media wanted to exploit it. The aggregate of crime in America is the real story of what it's like to live in the country in regards to fears of violence. Not this single messy case. And no matter how many quips about Timberlands or suggestions about racial bias make that case into just "innocent jogger hunted by racists."

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You people are putting on a clinic on how to make a terrible thread even worse.


Great threads are mostly you telling people to kill themselves.

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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Here is you asking the question, please note that it is not whether churches are exempt from occupancy limits, but whether a building code "is a restriction on the free exercise of religion". Also note that the question is posed as whether a specific code is or can be a restriction on free exercise, not whether the concept of building codes as a whole are restrictions on free exercise:

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Let's say there is a small church that only can handle 100 people in it per service. When they reach 100, they are not allowed to let anyone else in. Is this a restriction of the free exercise of religion? [/quote
:lol: Bold text is an occupancy limit. Also, please stop following me around with this. I don't know why people let you get away with it.


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Is this a restriction of the free exercise of religion?


Rick, does the quote immediately above look like "are churches exempt from occupancy limits?" to you?

Again, eat a bag of dicks you lying sack of shit.

Is this("when they reach 100, they are not allowed to let anyone else in") a restriction of free exercise of religion?

Yes, that's asking if an occupancy limit is a restriction of the free exercise of religion.

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You people are putting on a clinic on how to make a terrible thread even worse.


Great threads are mostly you telling people to kill themselves.

Thank you for recognizing greatness.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Here is you asking the question, please note that it is not whether churches are exempt from occupancy limits, but whether a building code "is a restriction on the free exercise of religion". Also note that the question is posed as whether a specific code is or can be a restriction on free exercise, not whether the concept of building codes as a whole are restrictions on free exercise:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Let's say there is a small church that only can handle 100 people in it per service. When they reach 100, they are not allowed to let anyone else in. Is this a restriction of the free exercise of religion? [/quote
:lol: Bold text is an occupancy limit. Also, please stop following me around with this. I don't know why people let you get away with it.


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Is this a restriction of the free exercise of religion?


Rick, does the quote immediately above look like "are churches exempt from occupancy limits?" to you?

Again, eat a bag of dicks you lying sack of shit.

Is this("when they reach 100, they are not allowed to let anyone else in") a restriction of free exercise of religion?

Yes, that's asking if an occupancy limit is a restriction of the free exercise of religion.
Thank you. At least we can agree that you didn't ask whether churches are exempt from occupancy limit regulations. Enjoy your meal.


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You people are putting on a clinic on how to make a terrible thread even worse.


Great threads are mostly you telling people to kill themselves.

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Thank you. At least we can agree that you didn't ask whether churches are exempt from occupancy limit regulations. Enjoy your meal.
My only mistake was thinking you would understand how "this" is used.

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Shakes had the same reaction to the Arbery case as I did. I anticipate you stalking him around here, and bringing this up in every non-related thread with him as well.
Stalking? :lol: Yes, I would bring it up to shakes if it made sense to do so. Do you think I'm singling you out?

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This thread is about poor journalistic standards. Few things were verified. The stories in the Lauer story do not make sense. If someone raped you in a hotel room would you continue to have an affair with them, and only report it years after the fact when the affair ended? That doesn't seem logical. It seems that Lauer had an affair, ghosted the woman, and she was bitter. Farrow reported that it was a rape, and took her word without following up with her friends or colleagues. Jorr agrees with this. So rational people can see that.
I think it's fair to question some of the allegations against Lauer but you were so quick to paint Arbery as a person who was clearly doing something wrong that it rings a little hollow to wonder why people, with much more evidence of wrongdoing, did the same to Lauer.

Questioning is great, and WFR often asks good questions and makes good points. But it's like WFR isn't simply questioning; he's already made up his mind, and so he's making his case, not simply pointing out incongruities. He kind of stitches his questions to assumptions, and then when he gets questioned, he doubles down on claims of his own authenticity, &tc.

But asking questions is good, because I have never even bothered to wonder whether Lauer was railroaded. I just accepted it as true.

In reality, I am not doubting his guilt, though I wonder what patterns make me give someone the benefit of the doubt or why I'd believe one person acted poorly while I would search for reasons to doubt why another person behaved poorly. It scares me that there might be a pattern I am unaware of there.


In WFR'S case I already know why Lauer and not Arbery was provided with the benefit of the doubt.

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I think I'm just going to declare myself a church. Then, according to Juicy, the rules don't apply to me.

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This is a thread about one person too and how he was treated.

:lol: wow, the similarities are really striking now that you mention it!

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Rick you gotta admit that's funny

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You people are putting on a clinic on how to make a terrible thread even worse.


Great threads are mostly you telling people to kill themselves.

If only more would listen.

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I think I'm just going to declare myself a church. Then, according to Juicy, the rules don't apply to me.

When a grown ass middle aged man for the first time has the same thought you and your stoned friends had when you were sixteen. No wonder he's a pizza delivery boy, talk about arrested development.


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