Agree with LTG on no excuses. However I think it's virtually guaranteed that the Wolves have a better record than the Bulls next year. Not exactly going out on a limb there...or maybe I am. Bulls were about 14 games better this year I think.

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OKC is still a better job. They are ready to win now. Towns and Wiggins are good building blocks and both should be All Stars, but he will have to decide what he is going to do with Rubio and ultimately Lavine too. This will demonstrate how good of a coach he really is. Don't see championships in their future but if he gets them in the top 3 in the West in the next 3 yrs then he will have been worth it. This has been among the 5 worst franchises during the past 10 or so yrs.

I think control of personnel was one of the reasons he would not take a job and it may have been a source of contention between he and GarPax too. There were rumors about him being disenchanted with certain moves that they made, namely Deng, Teague, and Dunleavy. He wanted to have control and now he has it. We will see how it turns out.

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Minus their two best players are about to skip town.

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Love the call.

Thibbs gets a season to break guys down and see who he wants to keep. Lavine, Wiggs, Payne, Towns...not questioning these guys skills, but Thibbs wants BBall players and guys know that.

Is Lavine an LA Wannabe and just be a Laker to live that life of dildos and 3 somesmwith D rose? Have no idea, but I do know that Thibbs will come in the door as a hardass and either you play hard for him or you are gone, unlike the cookie and juice hour that Fred started when he was here!

Cant walk in the door and try to be friends with guys as a coach or even in business, need to establish yourself day 1...then, you want to a softy 1 on 1 with a guy, go ahead, but the shit that was pulled in Chicago is good for the local elementary school soccer team! !

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OKC irrelevant anyway because the job was never open while he was unemployed.

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Westbrook and Durant will both remain in OKC when it's all said and done.

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Technically Billy Donovan was still employed. Doc Rivers and Jason Kidd were also employed at the time they were hired. It doesn't preclude one from being hired by another team and as cheap or money conscious as Reinsdorf is alleged to be, I'm sure that he'd rather let Thibs walk as opposed to potentially having to pay 9 mil. He's probably mad about the 4.5 he paid this past season.

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To suggest Thibs was passed over for Donovan is a logical impossibility since Donovan was hired while Thibs was not only employed but in the midst of coaching during the playoffs. This only works as an argument if you allow for the possibility of Thibs quitting during the middle of a playoff game to accept a job with OKC.

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New Jersey just hired Kenny Atkinson off of Atlanta's staff during the playoffs. My point is that teams wait for "great" coaches to become available before hiring other guys. Billy Donovan wasn't in that much of demand to where they couldn't wait on Thibs. Everyone knew that he was going to be whacked. This is a good situation for him to prove how good of a coach that he is. Team is not devoid of talent and they haven't made the playoffs in awhile.

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The Atkinson example is a false analogy. The fundamental difference between an assistant coach interviewing for and accepting a job during a playoff run and a head coach doing the same should be self-evident. The point about waiting for great coaches is a supposition that does not negate the fact that Thibs was coaching during the playoffs when the Thunder hired Donovan, thus making Thibs unavailable. Facts have more weight than suppositions.

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It still begs the question as to whether OKC really had to hire a college coach knowing that the "second best coach" in the league was about to be fired. Thibs was fired shortly after Donovan was hired. Billy Donovan really wasn't going anywhere and OKC was probably the only team that wanted him. There also were about 10 jobs which opened up after Thibs was fired and those teams didn't really sniff for him either. He is in a good situation now so lets see just what type of coach of he really is at this point. There was a lot of "supposition" going on during the season and now he has been hired. Let's roll. I also don't expect the TWolves to be better than the Bulls next season either.

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I don't recall hearing Thibs was interested in any of those jobs. I do recall hearing certain teams were interested. It's possible Thibs wanted to sit out a season to see if an opportunity like this opened up. That wasn't an option last year.

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This isn't a question worth asking because it's absurd - there's no way of proving or disproving the hiring strategy of the front office.



False. There's no way of knowing how long the Bulls would be in the playoffs.



No way of backing up the premise so the conclusion is unsupported.



I'll message board bet on this in board currency. The Wolves will be better.

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I think the Bulls will be better. The Wolves aren't in a rush. In 2 or 3 years the Wolves will be better unless Paxson makes major improvements.

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There have been rumors that he was interested in several jobs. I think that player personnel component was big for him. It was alleged that he wanted more say in such matters with the Bulls. He also was said to want this sort of control in his next job. Now he has it. It's not easy doing both jobs. I dont know of a situation other than Riley where a guy has won it all doing both. Thibs is a basketball lifer kind of guy so you know he will put the time in. Problem is that he isn't exactly a spring chicken. He will be 60 soon and from an energy standpoint may not have it in terms of putting in long hours.

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Why would he take a job when he was already getting paid for doing nothing?

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I have no doubt about him as a coach but as you said most don't have success doing both jobs. Look at Doc. Players know that you can trade them whenever you feel like it.

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Offset by the fact that he will simply be better at the job than most and won't need to waste unnecessary hours walking back bad decisions.

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Being both player personnel guy and coach seems like the classic case of good in theory and bad in practice job. Coaches want instant gratification and personnel guys are supposed weigh that vs success down the line. They are supposed to be the vision guys.

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I'm just glad we established that Thibs was never passed over for the OKC job.

Still willing to bet with anyone that the Wolves will have a better record than the Bulls next year.

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Different sport but the last guy I remember thinking he wasn't going to spend long hrs on the job was Steve Spurrier and we see how that turned out.

Thibs was known to put in unnecessary hrs as Bulls coach. You don't think he will do the same now that he has dual roles?

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I would like to wait until July

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Of course he will work more. His scouting eye appears to be solid.

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Technically he wasn't passed over for any job unless he interviewed for said job. I will ask this question. Was the demand for his services as great as anticipated?

Not much in the betting business. I may change my mind down the road. If I do I will get back at you. It will be well before the start of the season if I decide to do it. Bulls may go into full blown rebuilding mode.

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I don't know about that. We keep hearing about Draemond Green. But I'm wondering if there are a lot of guys that aren't particularly good that we haven't heard about that he wanted.

We are about to really find about Thibs as a basketball guy.

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Glad you decided to walk that assertion back.



Cannot disprove or prove "demand" for coaches.



Message board currency. Signature, avatar, self-imposed temporary exile, etc.

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The Wolves will be better even if Chicago wins the KD sweepstakes.

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Green and Dieng are the guys I've heard about. I imagine GarPax would have floated stories if he wanted guys that sucks over people they selected.

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Everyone knows who the in demand coaches are. Names are bandied about. Also if we are going to discount rumors, then they need to be discounted in every instance that they happen to be referenced. That's a classic "appeal to ignorance" form of argument. We cant simply discount rumors because they happen to disprove a previously held assertion.

I will give you your message board currency bet. Let's revisit this before the season though. I don't what the hell Paxson is going to do. I'm not worried about the moves Thibs makes. I dont want the Bulls to just start trading guys for the purpose of freeing up cap space. If Paxson goes for it I will take the bet.

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I wanted Dieng too. I liked him and I believed that drafting him would have allowed them to trade Taj. At the time Taj's value was at its apex too. Could have gotten a 2 for 1 out of that and it would have allowed the Bulls to acquire the swing man that they sorely needed.

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