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I regret responding before I even do it. Comcast has the fastest Internet speeds with their widely available 100MBS plans. They are now offering speeds up to 2 gigs per sec. And believe me I hate all things Comcast. I used Clear until they shut the service down this year.....
I'm aware of that, and it doesn't change what I said.

But, I won't respond to you to save you from feelings of regret.

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Why should the government be responsible for the internet? I dunno, maybe because they built it in the first place.

Saying that our communications infrastructure is just fine because you don't need fast internet to send email is Mister Magoo levels of myopic, and I'm not even any kind of futurist.


You can say the government started in as it sprung from ARPANET. From that point people in universities and then corporations made it what it is today actually.

I think the Magoos are the ones saying what they say because they are afraid this is Obama phones all over again. People not wanting the Government to tackle this is different. I guess they would just contract out to Google, Comcast et all anyway since there is no Department of Fiber Wiring yet.

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Wasn't "Obamaphones" just a ginned-up controversy courtesy of syndicated right-wing talk radio hosts?

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Wasn't "Obamaphones" just a ginned-up controversy courtesy of syndicated right-wing talk radio hosts?



Idk. I think it is real and part of some FCC bills. The Obamaphone label is likely politically motivated.

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Why should the government be responsible for the internet? I dunno, maybe because they built it in the first place.

Saying that our communications infrastructure is just fine because you don't need fast internet to send email is Mister Magoo levels of myopic, and I'm not even any kind of futurist.


You can say the government started in as it sprung from ARPANET. From that point people in universities and then corporations made it what it is today actually.

I think the Magoos are the ones saying what they say because they are afraid this is Obama phones all over again. People not wanting the Government to tackle this is different. I guess they would just contract out to Google, Comcast et all anyway since there is no Department of Fiber Wiring yet.







:lol: Obama phones? Your boy George Bush started that program.

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You can say the government started in as it sprung from ARPANET. From that point people in universities and then corporations made it what it is today actually.
The government has had a major role throughout. Including, the steady improvement of Scorehead's "signal" all over the country.
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I think the Magoos are the ones saying what they say because they are afraid this is Obama phones all over again. People not wanting the Government to tackle this is different. I guess they would just contract out to Google, Comcast et all anyway since there is no Department of Fiber Wiring yet.
Government phone programs wouldn't be the parallel. Improved cell phone towers would be and the government has been heavily involved in that including giving money to the providers.

The funny thing is that if you look at the private infrastructure investments done by businesses they used a pretty good portion of government money in order to do it. Verizon took billions from the government for FIOS and then basically said "Nah, we aren't going to do it".

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The phone comment was meant to show Magoo (blind folks) have a lack of faith in government on things. No need to argue that. And yes I know who started it.

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It's not about a lack of faith in government, it's about finding the mere proposition of improving the infrastructure to be trifling. Inasmuch as this country has no real plans to make things anymore, wouldn't it stand to reason that the capacity to transfer huge amounts of digital information -- possibly in ways we haven't thought much about yet -- is going to be important to the economy going forward?

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It's not about a lack of faith in government, it's about finding the mere proposition of improving the infrastructure to be trifling. Inasmuch as this country has no real plans to make things anymore, wouldn't it stand to reason that the capacity to transfer huge amounts of digital information -- possibly in ways we haven't thought much about yet -- is going to be important to the economy going forward?


Sure we need tremendous investment in infrastructure. How will that happen without waste and corruption who knows? Lets be honest about this thread. It is about HRC and some of us despise her and anything she wants/proposes. If this original story was a R candidate it would be mostly how are they going to pay off their corporate wall street puppet masters.

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Lets be honest about this thread. It is about HRC and some of us despise her and anything she wants/proposes.


I'm not supporting Hillary, but I don't think it's a bad idea at all. The most cynical thing I can say about it, which I kinda already did at the beginning of the thread, was that she was trying to preempt Bernie Sanders on proposing a major government investment so that people would stop saying she isn't progressive enough (and even more cynically, the idea that the ever-vilified white male contingent of Sanders supporters would want faster internet for video games).

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If we don't update the interwebs now, in 10 years when it really needs to be overhauled at the cost of billions, Scorehead will be the guy bitching about moaning about it costing so much, and why wasn't it done way back when.

But if you ask him, he's the guy with all the answers for everything. He should be Mayor of Chicago, POTUS, GM for the Bears, and Program Director for the Score. He knows it all.


I've grown not to dislike Scorehead as much as I used to, but it truly is amazing how sure he can act about topics that he not only knows nothing about but also never provides any rationale for. He just... says things.


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If we don't update the interwebs now, in 10 years when it really needs to be overhauled at the cost of billions, Scorehead will be the guy bitching about moaning about it costing so much, and why wasn't it done way back when.

But if you ask him, he's the guy with all the answers for everything. He should be Mayor of Chicago, POTUS, GM for the Bears, and Program Director for the Score. He knows it all.


I've grown not to dislike Scorehead as much as I used to, but it truly is amazing how sure he can act about topics that he not only knows nothing about but also never provides any rationale for. He just... says things.


Like a lot of things, sure, the internet can certainly be improved, but with the current state of the world and our country, there are many many other more serious and pressing issues that our politicians should focus on. WTF does the government know about internet infrastructure anyway? Everything the government touches is inefficient and over complicated. Stay out of the way and let the private sector handle it.

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Saying that our communications infrastructure is just fine because you don't need fast internet to send email is Mister Magoo levels of myopic, and I'm not even any kind of futurist.


I gotta disagree with you there. There are few fields or "necessary" activities that require more than the 4MB that was the previous standard. And Dennis mentioned the main reason for America's supposed deficiency: the vast amount of land that has to be covered compared to much denser countries.

Now if you're saying we need to build up the wireless infrastructure for the next wave of autonomous cars and such, I probably would agree.

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WTF does the government know about internet infrastructure anyway?
More than any other group in the entire country.

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Saying that our communications infrastructure is just fine because you don't need fast internet to send email is Mister Magoo levels of myopic, and I'm not even any kind of futurist.


I gotta disagree with you there. There are few fields or "necessary" activities that require more than the 4MB that was the previous standard. And Dennis mentioned the main reason for America's supposed deficiency: the vast amount of land that has to be covered compared to much denser countries.

Now if you're saying we need to build up the wireless infrastructure for the next wave of autonomous cars and such, I probably would agree.
Wireless has much lower physical limits.

At some point, the entire country needs to be wired up with fast internet(and faster internet than any of us currently have) just like we eventually put electricity and water nationwide.

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Disagree. Auto cars cant rely on cell networks. They will need to talk to other cars directly in order to acheieve maximum efficiency and safety.

American internet is slow because of land size... But also because cable companies have monopolies.

Things will get better though. Broadcom is producing new dsl chips this year. In 2016 you will see landline companies start advertising 50 and 100mb speeds. They say the technology could go up to 1gb/sec

That would push cabale companies to expand as well. And they can because there is no better copper setup for communication than a coax.

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At some point, the entire country needs to be wired up with fast internet(and faster internet than any of us currently have) just like we eventually put electricity and water nationwide.


I guess many of us are just wondering what apps are going to require so much more bandwidth. It's like saying all houses should have 4000 amp electrical service instead of 100 or 200 that is currently in most homes. Why is it necessary? I'm not sold on the "internet of things" either. I don't need or want my toaster or furnace or refrigerator to be online.

I believe studies show that Netflix and Amazon Video currently represent about 80% of all the bits traveling across the web. That tells you something, doesn't it?

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At some point, the entire country needs to be wired up with fast internet(and faster internet than any of us currently have) just like we eventually put electricity and water nationwide.


I guess many of us are just wondering what apps are going to require so much more bandwidth. It's like saying all houses should have 4000 amp electrical service instead of 100 or 200 that is currently in most homes. Why is it necessary? I'm not sold on the "internet of things" either. I don't need or want my toaster or furnace or refrigerator to be online.
People have been saying things like this since the dawn of the computer. The same lack of vision could have been true for streaming, video chatting, online banking, and pretty much all the things we do all the time.

You improve speed and then people find a way to improve our lives. It's been that way since the day my parents got a Commodore 64 and it didn't suddenly stop because "Oh well, it's good enough now".

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I'm not sold on the "internet of things" either. I don't need or want my toaster or furnace or refrigerator to be online.

This is a better way of saying it. I'm sure many people throughout time had no use or desire for many things,we all use today.

But its not important to you. Cool. Its better than saying "No one anywhere needs it and its stupid"


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This is a better way of saying it. I'm sure many people throughout time had no use or desire for many things,we all use today.
Yup.

http://recode.net/2015/03/13/what-is-5g-and-what-does-it-mean-for-consumers/
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For example, Ulrich Dropmann, head of industry environment networks at Nokia, gave a scenario where you might be cruising in your driverless car when, unbeknownst to you, a crash has just occurred up the road. With 5G, sensors placed along the road would be able to instantly relay that information back to your car (this is where having low latency is important), so it could brake earlier and avoid another accident.

So, even if self driving cars don't exist at the time, you'd get a flashing screen on your dashboard that tells you an accident occurred 250 feet in front of you.

It feels like science fiction now, but so was being able to watch high definition video from a park on your smart phone when I was growing up.

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On the list of priority issues that a politician should be running on, faster internet probably ranks about #50 or so, behind more pressing issues. Citizens aren't clamoring for faster internet. They want jobs & safer communities.
Aren't you a "work hard and improve yourself" kind of guy? The digital divide is a major barrier to that for poorer people to overcome. It makes a big difference.

But, it's also a problem that can be addressed. Are you saying that we should not be upgrading the internet infrastructure here? I don't really understand your point. The internet has kind of been an important thing for our economy for years. It's a thing we are still a world leader in and has helped to shield us from more pain with manufacturing leaving the country.

And what is the downside? Oh no, we wasted money on infrastructure that improved the lives of all citizens. How horrible.


Even given some upside I am not sure why the government needs to pay/subsidize and ultimately control the internet. It bothers me. Another important issue I can see with the government is the screw ups, delays and inefficiency in which it does things. I would say that about highways as well as the cyber highway. In my estimation by the time they finished something it would be close to obsolete or at least behind the next wave you are chasing.


This is another example of why you need to stop watching FOX news. Net neutrality has nothing to do with the government controlling the internet.

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I think the Magoos are the ones saying what they say because they are afraid this is Obama phones all over again.


And another example.

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Lets be honest about this thread. It is about HRC and some of us despise her and anything she wants/proposes. If this original story was a R candidate it would be mostly how are they going to pay off their corporate wall street puppet masters.


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Chus, I have to disagree with you on the net neutrality issue. They are using the old federal laws that broke up telephone monopolies and regulated utilities as their statutory authority for net neutrality rules. They are overriding the 1996 telecommunications act in the process. Two articles below on the topic from this week. It is exactly about the Federal Government level of regulation over the Internet.


Information Age: Obamanet Goes to Court
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This week the federal appeals court in Washington considers the legality of the Obama administration's decision to micromanage the Internet. Obamanet ended 20 glorious years of the Internet as a fount of permissionless innovation. Now judges will decide, in U.S. Telecom Association v. FCC, if anyone can ever again launch a website, app or new product without having to beg a bureaucrat.

The Federal Communications Commission chairman himself last week made the case for invalidating Obamanet. Asked at a news conference whether regulators would approve a new low-priced plan from T-Mobile, Tom Wheeler said yes, adding, "I also kind of chuckle at the fact that as we were debating the open Internet, everybody was saying, 'Oh, this is going to thwart innovation, it's going to be terrible. People are going to have to come to the FCC to say, "Mother, may I?" before they do anything in the market.' Well that certainly didn't happen here."

Of course it did. Mother Wheeler said You may -- though that became maybe when he added: "What we're going to be doing is watching the Binge On product, keeping an eye on it, and to measure it against the general conduct rule." Republican commissioner Ajit Pai warned T-Mobile not to assume anything: "I don't think it should give any company comfort to know that the state of the law is so unsettled."

T-Mobile's Binge On benefits consumers by giving them low-priced unlimited access to 24 video services, including Netflix, HBO and ESPN. This package is aimed at cost-conscious people who don't have broadband. Net neutrality absolutists hate the idea, known as "zero rating." Susan Crawford, a former Obama special assistant for science, technology, and innovation policy, has written that it "is pernicious; it's dangerous; it's malignant."

U.S. policy is supposed to "preserve the vibrant and competitive free market" for the Internet, according to the Telecommunications Act of 1996, "unfettered by federal or state regulation." That mandate reflects the governmental humility that prevailed across party lines at the launch of the commercial Internet.

But the White House last year decided "net neutrality" was good politics. A page-one article in The Wall Street Journal headlined "Net Neutrality: How the White House Thwarted FCC Chief" described "an unusual, secretive effort inside the White House . . . acting as a parallel version of the FCC itself." The White House bullied Mr. Wheeler to treat the Internet as a monopoly utility under laws written in the 1880s for railroads and in the 1930s for Ma Bell.

Strong-armed by the White House, the agency rushed out more than 300 pages of slapdash regulations. Among the legal objections the appeals court will consider is that letting the FCC decide what is "fair" and "reasonable" violates the plain wording of the Telecommunications Act; that the agency's new "Internet conduct standard" is so vague it exceeds the agency's authority; that the White House's intervention violated separation of powers and the notice period for new regulations; and the rules violate First Amendment protections for free speech by letting regulators decide what content broadband providers can and can't make available.

The courts are applying greater scrutiny of independent federal agencies, insisting on "reasoned decision-making." In June the Supreme Court invalidated an Environmental Protection Agency regulation issued without serious cost-benefit analysis. Likewise, in its rush to adopt Obamanet, the FCC failed to conduct even a cursory review of the costs of treating the Internet as a utility.

That's relevant because broadband investment declined immediately after providers realized Obamanet could become law. Economist Hal Singer calculates major Internet service providers reduced capital spending by 12%, while the overall industry average dropped 8%. Even Mr. Wheeler has acknowledged that regulations put pressure on "the needs of network operators to receive a return on their investment."

The Internet succeeded because it was unregulated. If Obamanet had been in effect, newspapers would have objected to Google as "unfair." Wall Street might have forced Steve Jobs out if the government deemed "unreasonable" his idea to include a Web browser in Apple's mobile phones. Investors could have nixed the disruptive messaging service WhatsApp for fear it would be held to violate a "general conduct rule."

Since Obamanet took effect, the FCC has received thousands of requests to regulate Internet pricing, business practices and products. BlackBerry even asked regulators to force Netflix to stream videos on its unpopular phones.

The Internet needs more innovation and competition, not bureaucrats picking favorites. Regulators seeking "Mother may I?" permission to end freedom on the Internet should be given a quick and final no.

Focus Turns to U.S. Judge In Net Neutrality Appeal
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As a high-stakes appeal of the U.S. government's net neutrality rule looms, telecommunications companies have found cause to take heart: The same judge who shot down two previous versions of the rule will help decide the latest challenge.

But Judge David Tatel's presence on the three-judge panel for the closely watched Dec. 4 appeal doesn't necessarily mean the Federal Communications Commission and its high-profile rules are in trouble again, backers of the regulation say.

They contend Judge Tatel's selection could even boost the odds of victory for the FCC, which has seen both its past efforts rejected by the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia.

Judge Tatel wrote both of those appeals court opinions, one in 2010 and another in 2014. In both cases, the Clinton appointee found that the FCC had failed to show it had sufficient legal authority for its sweeping net neutrality rules.

Net neutrality proponents say the rules are necessary to prevent big cable and phone companies from using their emerging dominance as Internet access providers to disadvantage potential rivals, particularly companies like Netflix Inc. and Alphabet Inc.'s Google.

Critics say those problems have so far failed to materialize; meanwhile, the strict new net neutrality rules could stifle investment in broadband, they warn.

The lawsuit is shaping up as the definitive challenge to the FCC rules and a milestone in the Internet's development.

Given the high stakes, it might well end up at the Supreme Court, and the circuit court's framing of the issues could be crucial.

Some lawyers for telecommunications firms quietly cheered Judge Tatel's inclusion on the panel, which the court says is appointed randomly.

They contend the judge in his 2014 opinion offered the FCC a road map to write legally acceptable rules that would be more modest, but that the FCC chose to short-circuit that approach under political pressure from the White House.

FCC Chairman Tom Wheeler has said he was independently considering the path the commission chose and the administration didn't exert undue influence on it.

"It will be interesting to see how Judge Tatel responds to this direct slap in the face," said Lawrence Spiwak, president of the Phoenix Center for Advanced Legal & Economic Public Policy Studies, a conservative think tank that has filed a friend-of-the-court brief siding with the telecommunications companies.

"I think we're reasonably pleased with the panel," said one lawyer for industry groups challenging the rules. That panel also includes Judges Stephen Williams, a conservative who has been a critic of the agency, and Sri Srinivasan, an Obama administration appointee seen as liberal but business-friendly.

The big phone and cable companies -- along with congressional Republicans -- say the FCC still lacks a legal basis to impose the net neutrality rules, even after trying to reclassify the firms as telecommunications providers to buttress its authority. But Republicans so far have lacked the votes in Congress to roll back the rules.

The FCC and its backers contend Judge Tatel's opinion in 2014 clearly left open the door to the sweeping action it ultimately took. Now he is well positioned to validate the agency's actions, they say.

"Judge Tatel's inclusion on the panel is probably good for net neutrality advocates," said Marvin Ammori, a lawyer and net neutrality activist.

"In the previous case, he provided a legal road map for the FCC to follow. The FCC carefully followed Judge Tatel's road map. And nobody would understand that better than Mr. Tatel himself."

Whoever is right, the latest appeal likely will come down to what Judge Tatel thinks.

"Given his interest and his knowledge, it is overwhelmingly likely that he will be in the majority and write the opinion," said Andrew Schwartzman, a Georgetown law professor.

In addition to being steeped in the net neutrality fight, the 73-year-old Judge Tatel is widely recognized for his expertise in the technology arena more broadly.

The debate over net neutrality rules has been protracted and difficult, in part because the Internet has evolved so rapidly while the laws governing it haven't.

The main statute, the Telecommunications Act of 1996, was passed when the government was actively encouraging the Internet's growth through limited FCC oversight.

The FCC has attempted to reclassify Internet service providers as telecommunications firms subject to a modernized version of its old-school common carrier requirements, giving itself the authority to impose net neutrality rules.

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Telecommunications Act '96 can get fucked. It devastated radio. Yes, we will increase competition by letting corporations own eight stations at a time, it's just that the competition won't be among many people.

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You know who is huge in wanting to remove net neutrality which would hurt us all? "Infrastructure leader" Comcast.

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I don't like either side in the net neutrality fight. I am merely pointing out that the FCC is in fact taking over regulation of Internet traffic.


In the net neutrality fight you have folks like Google and Netflix fighting Comcast and At&t. Take your pick of bad guys because by default in this country, big is bad.

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In the net neutrality fight you have folks like Google and Netflix fighting Comcast and At&t. Take your pick of bad guys because by default in this country, big is bad.
The bad guys are the ones that want to change the rules in a bad way, and that is Comcast and AT&T.

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You should be thrilled that the only thing Hillary is going to fuck up is the wonderful internet infrastructure that lets you "get a signal" anywhere.


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