I completely agree. GarPax holds on to guys too long. Now Thibs gets to coach the guy he wanted. Green appears to be a more offensively talented version of Noah.

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Let's rewind. You've claimed OKC passed Thibs up and I dismantled that argument by simply proving Thibs was unavailable when OKC hired Donovan. Do you still plan to assert otherwise?

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Thibs was unofficially available in January of 2015. That is one of the reasons that Hoi berg is hated around these parts. My opinion only and I really do mean only. Now we are going to make the argument that Thibs wasn't available because he was still officially the Bulls coach?

I'm making the argument that he wasn't much in demand. Paxson was blamed for killing his ability to find another job by holding up his firing. There supposedly were all of these teams clamoring for his services. They released him and not of it materialized.

He also was rumored to desperately want certain jobs, Knicks and Lakers to name but a few. Neither bit on it.

I'm simply stating that OKC could have waited for Thibs and they didn't. He was going to be fired. Everyone, including him knew it. Billy Donovan is essentially Fred Hoi berg with a few more NCAA championships under his belt. He wasn't much in demand yet OKC hired him without waiting for Thibs to be fired. That says a lot in my opinion.

I've argued this point before. I will leave by saying I will take the bet. In August I will revisit the bet proposal. I have to see what Paxson will do in July.

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So you really believe that if Thibs wanted to coach last year that he wouldn't have been able to find a job? I think teams likely knew what he wanted and didn't want to give it to him.

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This has already been refuted. Here's the basic point: facts outweigh suppositions. None of what you said about Thibs and OKC is factually grounded, therefore your contention that OKC's hiring of Donovan is evidence that Thibs wasn't in demand around the league is wholly unsupported. Facts prove otherwise. Facts outweigh suppositions.

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Fact. There have been numerous jobs available since Thibs was fired. I could list them all but what would be the point. Its also not a given that this is the best job available either. "Best Job" is a subjective phrase isn't' it? He was hired and we will see how it turns out. Supposition arguments about what he would have done with this Bulls team were made during the entire season and it didn't seem to matter much then now did it? For the record Best job wasn't your term but I didn't see you dispute so I will attach it to you anyway.

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What's the best job available now?

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Some may say it's Washington. Some may say Sacramento. Some may say New York. It's a subjective argument at this point. OKC was easily the best job available last yr. Minnesota job opening is not in that class.

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the point is that one cannot take OKC's hiring of Donovan as evidence that Thibs wasn't "in demand" as a coach. Thoroughly refuted.

I'd also like to hear a defense of your argument that, like Atkinson, Thibs could have simply been hired by OKC while coaching the Bulls during the playoffs.

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If OKC would have asked to talk with Thibs Paxson could have granted it. They could have come to any number of verbal agreements. It happens all the time in sports. Atkinson was allowed to have an agreement in place. Thibs could have done the same thing. Wasn't Thibs "alleged" to have been seeking jobs a few yrs ago when he wasn't provided with an extension? Or is my memory failing yet again.

I know the appeal to ignorance will be used again as a form of refuting the point. Aren't you the same guy that said Bulls players were told not to listen to Thibs because it was a foregone conclusion that he was going to be fired? Wasn't that the reason given by you for the disappointing season? Now Thibs was still the coach? We really need to pick a lane on this stuff.

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They are all subjective. If we're looking at winning now then I think you're right about OKC. IF we are talking about the future then the Wolves job is better. Plus you don't get personnel control in Oklahoma.

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Vegan actually was fine with the Bulls firing Thibs.

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I didn't posit that front office theory.

Appeal to ignorance is only valid here if you have sufficient grounds to support your theory that OKC could have orchestrated the hiring of Thibs even while Thibs was coaching in the second round of the playoffs. But you have no basis for this theory other than to suggest that this "could" have happened which is an absurd premise on which to base an argument since any number of things "could" have also happened, including waiting for Auerbach to be resurrected and hired as coach, or waiting for Phil Jackson to quit the Knicks.

Fact: OKC had a job opening
Fact: Thibs was coaching in the playoffs during OKC's job opening
Fact: OKC hired Donovan while Thibs was still coaching
Fact: Thibs never had a chance to interview for the OKC position

Again the Atkinson example is a false analogy.

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Now that the Bulls are off the hook for Thibs' salary, maybe they can fire Hoiberg and still only pay for two coaches.

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I think Forman sold him on the idea that if you pay two coaches simultaneously you get a third for free.

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I'm happy for Thibs. He's a very good coach. Now we will see if he truly has the ability to build a team as well as coach it. It will be interesting to watch this develop.

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I don't see how he will be able to pursue coaching with the same intensity if he is also an executive.

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i think he has enough intensity to go around

HE HAS ENOUGH!

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