Best "new" poster on the board. I hope he has a long, active stay.

Intelligent, well-stated thoughts...but also gets down and dirty as the need arises.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

He's basically been a pinata for JORR in baseball threads which is nice.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Agree to disagree. He has been the Trump to CFMB's GOP.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

JORR has like 1,000 posts on the subject and it looks like the biggest gotcha is that he said Chan Ho Park was a good pitcher.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Except for the statistics that show a major, direct correlation between RS/9 and W/L% versus very little correlation W/L% and a very popular, widely accepted FIP- pitching metric. I assume we'd see similar patterns for ERA+, WHIP, OPS against, etc.

Pitcher W/L% should be used to judge a team's offense more than a team's pitcher. The stat isn't named very well.

edit: But let's keep that for the other thread. Good work, One Post.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

I have no idea what you just said

That's idiotic.

If you had to pick a winner to save your life is it going to be Clayton Kershaw vs. the '27 Yankees lineup or Wayne Franklin facing the 2010 Mariners?

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Ecclesiastes 5:8

You give him credit for a bunch of hard work, and you destroy it all with one dumb statement like this.

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Yup. It's always great to see a new punching bag show up. IMU, JLN, and other members of Team Sabr have gotten redundant.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Its like they embrace it

I will say this, I have to give both guys some serious credit. They have their heels dug in and they are not budging on their stance. That counts for something.

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He has definitely been an interesting read lately.

Has he said why after being here since 2008 that he has just now taken so much time to post here?

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

Well thought out arguments...terribly considered wagers

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

He owns JORR in a fashion not seen in this country in 151 years.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

Opinions vary and this is a bad one.

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Ecclesiastes 5:8

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

Says the guy who posted that wins for a pitcher are "entirely irrelevant."

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(a) Re-read the post ... did it look like it was written in a completely serious manner?
(b) That said, if one is attempting to use a statistic in an effort to discern the value as it relates to the efficacy of a pitcher on his own merits, in fact the W/L record is "entirely irrelevant".

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

Using a single statistic (advanced or traditional) to evaluate a pitcher (or any player for that matter) is not smart. Completely dismissing a starting pitcher's W-L record is not smart.

If that is really what you believe, than your viewpoint on a pitcher's W-L record is the only thing here that is entirely irrelevant.

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And the crowd chants, "All Statistics Matter!"

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Hawaii (fuck) You

We're apparently talking past each other ... if one were electing to use "a" statistic - one, lone, single, solitary, individual stat - was what I was saying ... same as your point.

Now having said that, W/L is no more than black pepper on a loaded baked potato ... it's nice to have on the pile, but it'd be just fine not having it too.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

Balck pepper?! Oh, a wise guy eh?

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Uh...I think the correlation coefficient between RS/9 and W/L% was something like .36. That's an acceptable amount of correlation to fuel the idea that the two are related, particularly that RS/9 has a predictive effect on W/L%, but the amount of change in W/L% that can be attributed directly to RS/9 was a little less than 14%. When the variable was changed to RS/Start (i.e. while the pitcher was on the mound), the coefficient went up into the "strong" category at a little more than .4.

FIP- actually correlated much better with W/L%, with a coefficient of determination at 0.37, and a high correlation of 0.61.