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He's basically been a pinata for JORR in baseball threads which is nice.

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

He's basically been a pinata for JORR in baseball threads which is nice.

Agree to disagree. He has been the Trump to CFMB's GOP.

Pitcher W/L% should be used to judge a team's offense more than a team's pitcher.

He's basically been a pinata for JORR in baseball threads which is nice.

It's always great to see a new punching bag show up.

He owns JORR in a fashion not seen in this country in 151 years.

Best "new" poster on the board. I hope he has a long, active stay.

Intelligent, well-stated thoughts...but also gets down and dirty as the need arises.

He owns JORR in a fashion not seen in this country in 151 years.

Don Tiny wrote:

He owns JORR in a fashion not seen in this country in 151 years.

Says the guy who posted that wins for a pitcher are "entirely irrelevant."

Frank Coztansa wrote:

Don Tiny wrote:

He owns JORR in a fashion not seen in this country in 151 years.

Says the guy who posted that wins for a pitcher are "entirely irrelevant."

(a) Re-read the post ... did it look like it was written in a completely serious manner?
(b) That said, if one is attempting to use a statistic in an effort to discern the value as it relates to the efficacy of a pitcher on his own merits, in fact the W/L record is "entirely irrelevant".

Don Tiny wrote:

Frank Coztansa wrote:

Don Tiny wrote:

He owns JORR in a fashion not seen in this country in 151 years.

Says the guy who posted that wins for a pitcher are "entirely irrelevant."

Using a single statistic (advanced or traditional) to evaluate a pitcher (or any player for that matter) is not smart. Completely dismissing a starting pitcher's W-L record is not smart.

If that is really what you believe, than your viewpoint on a pitcher's W-L record is the only thing here that is entirely irrelevant.

Except for the statistics that show a major, direct correlation between RS/9 and W/L% versus very little correlation W/L% and a very popular, widely accepted FIP- pitching metric. I assume we'd see similar patterns for ERA+, WHIP, OPS against, etc.

Pitcher W/L% should be used to judge a team's offense more than a team's pitcher. The stat isn't named very well.

edit: But let's keep that for the other thread. Good work, One Post.

Author:	IMU [ Thu Jul 21, 2016 3:07 pm ]
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Best "new" poster on the board. I hope he has a long, active stay. Intelligent, well-stated thoughts...but also gets down and dirty as the need arises.

Author:	Brick [ Thu Jul 21, 2016 3:09 pm ]
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He's basically been a pinata for JORR in baseball threads which is nice.

Author:	IMU [ Thu Jul 21, 2016 3:12 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: He's basically been a pinata for JORR in baseball threads which is nice. Agree to disagree. He has been the Trump to CFMB's GOP.

Author:	Brick [ Thu Jul 21, 2016 3:16 pm ]
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IMU wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: He's basically been a pinata for JORR in baseball threads which is nice. Agree to disagree. He has been the Trump to CFMB's GOP. JORR has like 1,000 posts on the subject and it looks like the biggest gotcha is that he said Chan Ho Park was a good pitcher.

Author:	IMU [ Thu Jul 21, 2016 3:31 pm ]
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Except for the statistics that show a major, direct correlation between RS/9 and W/L% versus very little correlation W/L% and a very popular, widely accepted FIP- pitching metric. I assume we'd see similar patterns for ERA+, WHIP, OPS against, etc. Pitcher W/L% should be used to judge a team's offense more than a team's pitcher. The stat isn't named very well. edit: But let's keep that for the other thread. Good work, One Post.

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Author:	Hockey Gay [ Thu Jul 21, 2016 3:48 pm ]
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IMU wrote: Except for the statistics that show a major, direct correlation between RS/9 and W/L% versus very little correlation W/L% and a very popular, widely accepted FIP- pitching metric. I assume we'd see similar patterns for ERA+, WHIP, OPS against, etc. I have no idea what you just said

Author:	JORR [ Thu Jul 21, 2016 3:53 pm ]
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IMU wrote: Pitcher W/L% should be used to judge a team's offense more than a team's pitcher. That's idiotic. If you had to pick a winner to save your life is it going to be Clayton Kershaw vs. the '27 Yankees lineup or Wayne Franklin facing the 2010 Mariners?

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Thu Jul 21, 2016 4:50 pm ]
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IMU wrote: Pitcher W/L% should be used to judge a team's offense more than a team's pitcher. You give him credit for a bunch of hard work, and you destroy it all with one dumb statement like this.

Author:	FavreFan [ Thu Jul 21, 2016 4:54 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: He's basically been a pinata for JORR in baseball threads which is nice. Yup. It's always great to see a new punching bag show up. IMU, JLN, and other members of Team Sabr have gotten redundant.

Author:	RFDC [ Thu Jul 21, 2016 5:16 pm ]
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He has definitely been an interesting read lately. Has he said why after being here since 2008 that he has just now taken so much time to post here?

Author:	good dolphin [ Thu Jul 21, 2016 10:58 pm ]
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Well thought out arguments...terribly considered wagers

Author:	Don Tiny [ Thu Jul 21, 2016 11:43 pm ]
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He owns JORR in a fashion not seen in this country in 151 years.

Author:	JORR [ Fri Jul 22, 2016 12:24 am ]
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Don Tiny wrote: He owns JORR in a fashion not seen in this country in 151 years. Opinions vary and this is a bad one.

Author:	Walt Williams Neck [ Fri Jul 22, 2016 6:38 am ]
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IMU wrote: Best "new" poster on the board. I hope he has a long, active stay. Intelligent, well-stated thoughts...but also gets down and dirty as the need arises.

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Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Fri Jul 22, 2016 7:06 am ]
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Don Tiny wrote: He owns JORR in a fashion not seen in this country in 151 years. Says the guy who posted that wins for a pitcher are "entirely irrelevant."

Author:	Don Tiny [ Fri Jul 22, 2016 8:39 am ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote: Don Tiny wrote: He owns JORR in a fashion not seen in this country in 151 years. Says the guy who posted that wins for a pitcher are "entirely irrelevant." (a) Re-read the post ... did it look like it was written in a completely serious manner? (b) That said, if one is attempting to use a statistic in an effort to discern the value as it relates to the efficacy of a pitcher on his own merits, in fact the W/L record is "entirely irrelevant".

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Fri Jul 22, 2016 8:43 am ]
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Don Tiny wrote: Frank Coztansa wrote: Don Tiny wrote: He owns JORR in a fashion not seen in this country in 151 years. Says the guy who posted that wins for a pitcher are "entirely irrelevant." (a) Re-read the post ... did it look like it was written in a completely serious manner? (b) That said, if one is attempting to use a statistic in an effort to discern the value as it relates to the efficacy of a pitcher on his own merits, in fact the W/L record is "entirely irrelevant". Using a single statistic (advanced or traditional) to evaluate a pitcher (or any player for that matter) is not smart. Completely dismissing a starting pitcher's W-L record is not smart. If that is really what you believe, than your viewpoint on a pitcher's W-L record is the only thing here that is entirely irrelevant.

Author:	denisdman [ Fri Jul 22, 2016 8:48 am ]
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And the crowd chants, "All Statistics Matter!"

Author:	Don Tiny [ Fri Jul 22, 2016 9:08 am ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote: Don Tiny wrote: Frank Coztansa wrote: Don Tiny wrote: He owns JORR in a fashion not seen in this country in 151 years. Says the guy who posted that wins for a pitcher are "entirely irrelevant." (a) Re-read the post ... did it look like it was written in a completely serious manner? (b) That said, if one is attempting to use a statistic in an effort to discern the value as it relates to the efficacy of a pitcher on his own merits, in fact the W/L record is "entirely irrelevant". Using a single statistic (advanced or traditional) to evaluate a pitcher (or any player for that matter) is not smart. Completely dismissing a starting pitcher's W-L record is not smart. If that is really what you believe, than your viewpoint on a pitcher's W-L record is the only thing here that is entirely irrelevant. We're apparently talking past each other ... if one were electing to use "a" statistic - one, lone, single, solitary, individual stat - was what I was saying ... same as your point. Now having said that, W/L is no more than black pepper on a loaded baked potato ... it's nice to have on the pile, but it'd be just fine not having it too.

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Fri Jul 22, 2016 9:11 am ]
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Balck pepper?! Oh, a wise guy eh?

Author:	Juice's Lecture Notes [ Fri Jul 22, 2016 5:42 pm ]
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IMU wrote: Except for the statistics that show a major, direct correlation between RS/9 and W/L% versus very little correlation W/L% and a very popular, widely accepted FIP- pitching metric. I assume we'd see similar patterns for ERA+, WHIP, OPS against, etc. Pitcher W/L% should be used to judge a team's offense more than a team's pitcher. The stat isn't named very well. edit: But let's keep that for the other thread. Good work, One Post. Uh...I think the correlation coefficient between RS/9 and W/L% was something like .36. That's an acceptable amount of correlation to fuel the idea that the two are related, particularly that RS/9 has a predictive effect on W/L%, but the amount of change in W/L% that can be attributed directly to RS/9 was a little less than 14%. When the variable was changed to RS/Start (i.e. while the pitcher was on the mound), the coefficient went up into the "strong" category at a little more than .4. FIP- actually correlated much better with W/L%, with a coefficient of determination at 0.37, and a high correlation of 0.61.