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Author:  leashyourkids [ Wed Dec 07, 2016 6:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Cognitive Dissonance & Denial
It really is an underrated human coping mechanism.
Author:  FavreFan [ Wed Dec 07, 2016 6:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Cognitive Dissonance
Gotta love the Sox fans hypocrisy shining today. It's ok when the Sox don't even try to field a competitive team for multiple seasons but when the Cubs did it it was a disgrace to baseball. Yes, I'm mainly looking at you good dolphin.
Author:  leashyourkids [ Wed Dec 07, 2016 6:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Cognitive Dissonance
FavreFan wrote:
Gotta love the Sox fans hypocrisy shining today. It's ok when the Sox don't even try to field a competitive team for multiple seasons but when the Cubs did it it was a disgrace to baseball. Yes, I'm mainly looking at you good dolphin.


FAVREFAN! My guy!
Author:  Brick [ Wed Dec 07, 2016 6:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Cognitive Dissonance
FavreFan wrote:
Gotta love the Sox fans hypocrisy shining today. It's ok when the Sox don't even try to field a competitive team for multiple seasons but when the Cubs did it it was a disgrace to baseball. Yes, I'm mainly looking at you good dolphin.
The Sox tried to hold up hope and do it the moral way but the game of baseball sent a message to them this November that the noble path gets you nowhere.
Author:  FavreFan [ Wed Dec 07, 2016 6:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Cognitive Dissonance
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Gotta love the Sox fans hypocrisy shining today. It's ok when the Sox don't even try to field a competitive team for multiple seasons but when the Cubs did it it was a disgrace to baseball. Yes, I'm mainly looking at you good dolphin.
The Sox tried to hold up hope and do it the moral way but the game of baseball sent a message to them this November that the noble path gets you nowhere.

We don't have a Theo Epstein doing this. We have a pair of clowns who haven't made the playoffs since 2008 doing this. We didn't just become the Cubs, we became the Pittsburgh Pirates of the last 20 years.
Author:  Brick [ Wed Dec 07, 2016 6:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Cognitive Dissonance
FavreFan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Gotta love the Sox fans hypocrisy shining today. It's ok when the Sox don't even try to field a competitive team for multiple seasons but when the Cubs did it it was a disgrace to baseball. Yes, I'm mainly looking at you good dolphin.
The Sox tried to hold up hope and do it the moral way but the game of baseball sent a message to them this November that the noble path gets you nowhere.

We don't have a Theo Epstein doing this. We have a pair of clowns who haven't made the playoffs since 2008 doing this. We didn't just become the Cubs, we became the Pittsburgh Pirates of the last 20 years.

So far it seems like anyone could do what Theo did.
Author:  FavreFan [ Wed Dec 07, 2016 6:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Cognitive Dissonance
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Gotta love the Sox fans hypocrisy shining today. It's ok when the Sox don't even try to field a competitive team for multiple seasons but when the Cubs did it it was a disgrace to baseball. Yes, I'm mainly looking at you good dolphin.
The Sox tried to hold up hope and do it the moral way but the game of baseball sent a message to them this November that the noble path gets you nowhere.

We don't have a Theo Epstein doing this. We have a pair of clowns who haven't made the playoffs since 2008 doing this. We didn't just become the Cubs, we became the Pittsburgh Pirates of the last 20 years.

So far it seems like anyone could do what Theo did.

I'll bet you any amount of money you wish within reason that the White Sox will not win a World Series in the next five years. If anyone can do it that's a great offer.
Author:  Brick [ Wed Dec 07, 2016 6:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Cognitive Dissonance
I don't really want to root for the White Sox.
Author:  leashyourkids [ Wed Dec 07, 2016 6:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Cognitive Dissonance
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I don't really want to root for the White Sox.


Now is probably a good time to jump ship.
Author:  Brick [ Wed Dec 07, 2016 6:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Cognitive Dissonance
leashyourkids wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I don't really want to root for the White Sox.


Now is probably a good time to jump ship.
I did two seasons ago.
Author:  badrogue17 [ Wed Dec 07, 2016 7:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Cognitive Dissonance
leashyourkids wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Gotta love the Sox fans hypocrisy shining today. It's ok when the Sox don't even try to field a competitive team for multiple seasons but when the Cubs did it it was a disgrace to baseball. Yes, I'm mainly looking at you good dolphin.


FAVREFAN! My guy!

FF may be the most fair poster on the board.
Author:  leashyourkids [ Wed Dec 07, 2016 7:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Cognitive Dissonance
badrogue17 wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Gotta love the Sox fans hypocrisy shining today. It's ok when the Sox don't even try to field a competitive team for multiple seasons but when the Cubs did it it was a disgrace to baseball. Yes, I'm mainly looking at you good dolphin.


FAVREFAN! My guy!

FF may be the most fair poster on the board.


Only Sock fan with a sack.
Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Wed Dec 07, 2016 7:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Cognitive Dissonance
leashyourkids wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Gotta love the Sox fans hypocrisy shining today. It's ok when the Sox don't even try to field a competitive team for multiple seasons but when the Cubs did it it was a disgrace to baseball. Yes, I'm mainly looking at you good dolphin.


FAVREFAN! My guy!

FF may be the most fair poster on the board.


Only Sock fan with a sack.


He's our jimmypasta.
Author:  FavreFan [ Wed Dec 07, 2016 7:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Cognitive Dissonance
Terry's Peeps wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Gotta love the Sox fans hypocrisy shining today. It's ok when the Sox don't even try to field a competitive team for multiple seasons but when the Cubs did it it was a disgrace to baseball. Yes, I'm mainly looking at you good dolphin.


FAVREFAN! My guy!

FF may be the most fair poster on the board.


Only Sock fan with a sack.


He's our jimmypasta.

I don't like tanking and I especially will never applaud tanking multiple seasons in a row before they even happen. MANY Sox fans agreed with this two years ago. Now they are looking like a bunch of clowns today.
Author:  Brick [ Wed Dec 07, 2016 7:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Cognitive Dissonance
FavreFan wrote:
I don't like tanking and I especially will never applaud tanking multiple seasons in a row before they even happen. MANY Sox fans agreed with this two years ago. Now they are looking like a bunch of clowns today.
When every good team is tanking to get there you have to do the immoral thing and follow suit. Theo has pretty much ruined baseball when a team that does it the right way like the White Sox has to submit to it.
Author:  FavreFan [ Wed Dec 07, 2016 7:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Cognitive Dissonance
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
I don't like tanking and I especially will never applaud tanking multiple seasons in a row before they even happen. MANY Sox fans agreed with this two years ago. Now they are looking like a bunch of clowns today.
When every good team is tanking to get there you have to do the immoral thing and follow suit. Theo has pretty much ruined baseball when a team that does it the right way like the White Sox has to submit to it.

I know you're partially trolling but this is the exact reason NOT to tank for multiple seasons. You're a huge Bernstein guy and still don't get market inefficiencies? Not to mention it's just a cowardly thing to do. Rick Hahn has done an objectively awful job since he's been in charge, and now he just bought himself another four years. Shameful.
Author:  good dolphin [ Thu Dec 08, 2016 8:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Cognitive Dissonance
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Gotta love the Sox fans hypocrisy shining today. It's ok when the Sox don't even try to field a competitive team for multiple seasons but when the Cubs did it it was a disgrace to baseball. Yes, I'm mainly looking at you good dolphin.
The Sox tried to hold up hope and do it the moral way but the game of baseball sent a message to them this November that the noble path gets you nowhere.

We don't have a Theo Epstein doing this. We have a pair of clowns who haven't made the playoffs since 2008 doing this. We didn't just become the Cubs, we became the Pittsburgh Pirates of the last 20 years.

So far it seems like anyone could do what Theo did.


but, but, but...he created a binder with a big cubbie logo on it that directed minor league managers to make their players take pitches
Author:  good dolphin [ Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:02 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Cognitive Dissonance
FavreFan wrote:
Gotta love the Sox fans hypocrisy shining today. It's ok when the Sox don't even try to field a competitive team for multiple seasons but when the Cubs did it it was a disgrace to baseball. Yes, I'm mainly looking at you good dolphin.


Are you liking what you are seeing?

The three top people the Sox traded for this year all spent time on MLB rosters in 2016. They will most likely do the same in 2017 and beyond. They aren't playing for five years down the line.

I do agree that tanking even one season is abhorrent to competitive sports. Let's see how this plays out.
Author:  Matches Malone [ Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:04 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Cognitive Dissonance
good dolphin wrote:
but, but, but...he created a binder with a big cubbie logo on it that directed minor league managers to make their players take pitches

The "Cubbie Occurrence" was replaced with the "Cub Way."

And you can't knock the results.
Author:  walkrman5 [ Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:07 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Cognitive Dissonance
Matches Malone wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
but, but, but...he created a binder with a big cubbie logo on it that directed minor league managers to make their players take pitches

The "Cubbie Occurrence" was replaced with the "Cub Way."

And you can't knock the results.



He can though because he is a "blowhard" idiot. Nothing he writes carries any weight or meaning.
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:10 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Cognitive Dissonance
Matches Malone wrote:
And you can't knock the results.
Only 1 title so far.

As the great baseball exec IMU once posted, "A 2005 White Sox situation would be a failure."
Author:  good dolphin [ Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:13 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Cognitive Dissonance
walkrman5 wrote:
Matches Malone wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
but, but, but...he created a binder with a big cubbie logo on it that directed minor league managers to make their players take pitches

The "Cubbie Occurrence" was replaced with the "Cub Way."

And you can't knock the results.



He can though because he is a "blowhard" idiot. Nothing he writes carries any weight or meaning.


blowhard doesn't belong in quotations...and thank you for reading
Author:  FavreFan [ Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:17 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Cognitive Dissonance
good dolphin wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Gotta love the Sox fans hypocrisy shining today. It's ok when the Sox don't even try to field a competitive team for multiple seasons but when the Cubs did it it was a disgrace to baseball. Yes, I'm mainly looking at you good dolphin.


Are you liking what you are seeing?

The three top people the Sox traded for this year all spent time on MLB rosters in 2016. They will most likely do the same in 2017 and beyond. They aren't playing for five years down the line.

I do agree that tanking even one season is abhorrent to competitive sports. Let's see how this plays out.

I don't really like what I'm seeing but people that know more than I do say I should be so ill accept that for now. It's annoying to me that o basically have to spend next summer not watching sports though, as I don't care enough to watch other teams play and there will be nobody on the Sox worth watching.
Author:  Matches Malone [ Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:20 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Cognitive Dissonance
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Matches Malone wrote:
And you can't knock the results.
Only 1 title so far.

As the great baseball exec IMU once posted, "A 2005 White Sox situation would be a failure."

Theo and the Cub have 3 titles each.

Soon we'll be chasing down the Blackhawk and the Bull.
Author:  long time guy [ Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:17 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Cognitive Dissonance
FavreFan wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Gotta love the Sox fans hypocrisy shining today. It's ok when the Sox don't even try to field a competitive team for multiple seasons but when the Cubs did it it was a disgrace to baseball. Yes, I'm mainly looking at you good dolphin.


FAVREFAN! My guy!

FF may be the most fair poster on the board.


Only Sock fan with a sack.


He's our jimmypasta.

I don't like tanking and I especially will never applaud tanking multiple seasons in a row before they even happen. MANY Sox fans agreed with this two years ago. Now they are looking like a bunch of clowns today.




I'm a lifelong Sox guy. The last time they had any sort of sustained success this is how they did it. I was all for what Kenny Williams did when he took over. He infamously said that they weren't going to be "prospects are us". They won a Series doing it that way but it is obvious that their piecemeal approach to running the team is a failure. Retread after retread hoping that they have just a little bit left in the tank is not cutting it. Blow it up and see what you have in 3 years. By then you will know if any of the guys are worth anything. If they aren't you werent going to win anyway. Throwing money at it by overpaying for free agents is not going to cut it either.
Author:  Brick [ Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:18 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Cognitive Dissonance
long time guy wrote:
I'm a lifelong Sox guy. The last time they had any sort of sustained success this is how they did it. I was all for what Kenny Williams did when he took over. He infamously said that they weren't going to be "prospects are us". They won a Series doing it that way but it is obvious that their piecemeal approach to running the team is a failure. Retread after retread hoping that they have just a little bit left in the tank is not cutting it. Blow it up and see what you have in 3 years. By then you will know if any of the guys are worth anything. If they aren't you werent going to win anyway. Throwing money at it by overpaying for free agents is not going to cut it either.
What about Hillary and her emails?
Author:  long time guy [ Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:21 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Cognitive Dissonance
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
long time guy wrote:
I'm a lifelong Sox guy. The last time they had any sort of sustained success this is how they did it. I was all for what Kenny Williams did when he took over. He infamously said that they weren't going to be "prospects are us". They won a Series doing it that way but it is obvious that their piecemeal approach to running the team is a failure. Retread after retread hoping that they have just a little bit left in the tank is not cutting it. Blow it up and see what you have in 3 years. By then you will know if any of the guys are worth anything. If they aren't you werent going to win anyway. Throwing money at it by overpaying for free agents is not going to cut it either.
What about Hillary and her emails?



They have gone the way of Eddie Einhorn. Too bad I can't say the same about you.
Author:  Tall Midget [ Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Cognitive Dissonance
long time guy wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
long time guy wrote:
I'm a lifelong Sox guy. The last time they had any sort of sustained success this is how they did it. I was all for what Kenny Williams did when he took over. He infamously said that they weren't going to be "prospects are us". They won a Series doing it that way but it is obvious that their piecemeal approach to running the team is a failure. Retread after retread hoping that they have just a little bit left in the tank is not cutting it. Blow it up and see what you have in 3 years. By then you will know if any of the guys are worth anything. If they aren't you werent going to win anyway. Throwing money at it by overpaying for free agents is not going to cut it either.
What about Hillary and her emails?



They have gone the way of Eddie Einhorn. Too bad I can't say the same about you.


:lol: :lol: @ BRick and LTG

Like LTG, I agree with the tanking strategy and called for it several years ago. The only problem is that I have no idea if Hahn is capable of carrying it out or not. On this matter, I subscribe to the conventional sports wisdom that it is easy to ascend from terrible to good, but extremely difficult to ascend from good to great. And even if we accept the premise that Hahn is capable of leading the Sox to greatness, do we have any confidence that JR is willing to allocate the resources necessary to elevate the team? Theo is a premier talent evaluator and organizational architect, but he might not have succeeded without the significant investments the Ricketts have made in talent development. Hahn obviously has nothing like Theo's track record, and while Reinsdorf has recently supported upgrades in talent development, the Sox still seem a long way off from the Cubs (in organizational investment, organizational vision, and in implementing an organizational vision). Hahn has made some good initial moves, but there are some significant variables at work here.
Author:  Brick [ Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Cognitive Dissonance
long time guy wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
long time guy wrote:
I'm a lifelong Sox guy. The last time they had any sort of sustained success this is how they did it. I was all for what Kenny Williams did when he took over. He infamously said that they weren't going to be "prospects are us". They won a Series doing it that way but it is obvious that their piecemeal approach to running the team is a failure. Retread after retread hoping that they have just a little bit left in the tank is not cutting it. Blow it up and see what you have in 3 years. By then you will know if any of the guys are worth anything. If they aren't you werent going to win anyway. Throwing money at it by overpaying for free agents is not going to cut it either.
What about Hillary and her emails?



They have gone the way of Eddie Einhorn. Too bad I can't say the same about you.
I've had better death threats than that.
Author:  Tall Midget [ Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Cognitive Dissonance
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
long time guy wrote:
I'm a lifelong Sox guy. The last time they had any sort of sustained success this is how they did it. I was all for what Kenny Williams did when he took over. He infamously said that they weren't going to be "prospects are us". They won a Series doing it that way but it is obvious that their piecemeal approach to running the team is a failure. Retread after retread hoping that they have just a little bit left in the tank is not cutting it. Blow it up and see what you have in 3 years. By then you will know if any of the guys are worth anything. If they aren't you werent going to win anyway. Throwing money at it by overpaying for free agents is not going to cut it either.
What about Hillary and her emails?



They have gone the way of Eddie Einhorn. Too bad I can't say the same about you.
I've had better death threats than that.


LTG is almost as enervated as Hillary. Devoid of passion, lacking energy, gently knocking on Death's door.
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