Not sure if good or bad. Awaiting word from BRick.

Well, it's a slippery slope when we get so "correct" that we're afraid to call things what they are and everything is "fluid" and a man can "identify" as a woman and a woman as a man. Why not a white as a black? Hell, maybe I'll "identify" as a grizzly bear. But not all the time. I'm "fluid".

Not sure if good or bad. Awaiting word from BRick.

This is indefensible by her. Race is purely genetic.

But what about her feelings?

Why do people different from you scare you so much?

I assumed you were making a reference to the feelings of gay people and transgendered people. It just seems like something that is a little bit of a hot button issue for you.

This doesn't have anything to do with feelings though. This would be like if I decided I was going to identify as short even though I am tall.

Race is an imperfect classification but it is a genetic classification which is why what she is doing is something that no one should accept.

The problem is that people think gender is also genetic. It is not. Obviously, there is a genetic component but it is far more complex than just XX or XY for many different reasons.

If gender is mostly about feelings then I have to ask when you decided that you wanted to be a man. Why did you choose to not be a woman?

This doesn't have anything to do with feelings though. This would be like if I decided I was going to identify as short even though I am tall.

Race is an imperfect classification but it is a genetic classification which is why what she is doing is something that no one should accept.

The problem is that people think gender is also genetic. It is not. Obviously, there is a genetic component but it is far more complex than just XX or XY for many different reasons.

If gender is mostly about feelings then I have to ask when you decided that you wanted to be a man. Why did you choose to not be a woman?

I am not following your question so I will ask you to clarify. I do not feel I chose to be a man in any way. What are some of the other reasons that could have made me a woman outside of genetics?

If you didn't choose to be a man why do you think someone else chose to switch?

Didn't JLN just lay out the complexities of racial identification? I could ask you when you decided you wanted to be white and why you chose not to be black.

In fact, unlike gender, race truly is socially constructed and designed to separate people based upon something as arbitrary as skin color for political purposes that should be obvious to all of us.

As you admit above, gender is genetic and based upon chromosomes. Yes, about a third of a percent of people feel as if they have been "mis-assigned".

Is anyone arguing that a small number of people don't have such feelings?

Race is genetic. Height is socially constructed

I can't identify as short when I am not either.

It is based partially on chromosomes.

There are many more combinations than just XX an XY.

If it was based solely on chromosomes those would be considered different genders. There are also multiple societies that have more than two genders. Also, when you combine the concept of "gender roles" you can see how those have changed so often through society. By watching my kid during the day I am violating what was once a gender role in that the woman stayed home and watched the kid. I also do a majority of the cooking. That is another traditionally female gender role. Obviously, no one would call me transgender for performing these roles but if I put on a dress to do them many would. It's an arbitrary standard that isn't based on chromosomes.

It depends how you are using feelings. If you mean that the feelings are a choice they make that is different than the feelings being a manifestation of what they actually are based on biology.

A lot of people try and discount people who are different than them because it is just them making a choice to be different because it is easier to deny rights to people on choices they make.

It's actually based wholly on chromosomes.

And we call those "abnormalities.

Now you've moved from discussing actually genders into discussing gender roles. But I will state that there is ample scientific evidence that the roles the majority of people "choose" is far from arbitrary or socially constructed and the differences exist across species of primates. For example, if you place a bunch of dolls and a bunch of toy trucks in a cage with young chimpanzees, the females will overwhelmingly choose to play with the dolls while the males grab the trucks.

If you didn't choose to be a man why do you think someone else chose to switch?

I don't think Mike Pence is a member at CFMB. I haven't seen anyone here argue that those feelings are "chosen".

I don't believe I said that I think that.

Regarding transgender specifically though I do think some believe it is different than other modern protected classes. I think that is because while there may be some genetic reason for that there are also some that simple feel i.e. identify as the other sex. Its possible I am mixing up transgender and transvestite though. Some of it is confusing to me but I am certainly not frightened.

If they aren't chosen then genetics is determining their gender to be the opposite of their genetic sex so I'm not really sure how you can say gender is solely based on chromosomes when it is in fact not.

Sex = based on chromosomes
Gender = based on chromosomes and many other factors.

No you are making more sense differing between sex and gender. Outside of the abnormalities Jorr mentions like hermaphrodites possibly there are only two sexes. This whole gender identity is as you said complicated.