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Frank's getting triggered and it's only March.

leashyourkids wrote:

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Frank's getting triggered and it's only March.

going to be a fun summer

All time great infielder. 1600 innings in the infield puts him right up there with Ozzie Smith and Omar Vizquel.

What a career!

The Sox fans... They need a victory.

The Sox fans really need a Cubs prospect to bust. ASAP. They need a victory.

IMU wrote:

The Sox fans really need a Cubs prospect to bust. ASAP. They need a victory.

It's hilarious hearing Cub fans rally by Matches and spin "Don't think Baez is as good as Ozzie Smith defensively" into "Sox fans are melting down and need a victory!". Except Darko. He knew that shit was ridiculous. He's one of the good ones.

Nobody is melting down. We are pointing and laughing at how ridiculous Cubs fans sound. Myself nor any other Sox fan put any sort of ceiling on Baez or disparaged his career at all. We have simply correctly stated that he is not yet an all time great.

I thought it would not and could not get any crazier than Cubs fans doing trust falls and jumping into the Chicago River on parade day. I guess I have severely underestimated the Cubs fanbase :lol:

You simply worry too much about what other people think.

IMU wrote:

The Sox fans really need a Cubs prospect to bust. ASAP. They need a victory.

FavreFan wrote:

IMU wrote:

The Sox fans really need a Cubs prospect to bust. ASAP. They need a victory.

Are you going to cry?

Omar Vizquel wasn't that good. Look at this numbers.

In "part time play", Baez had a 2.0 dWAR last season.

Omar Vizquel only surpassed that four times in his career, and he averaged 1210 innings during those seasons.

Baez did it in 973 innings.

Baez could throw up a 2.0 + dWAR each season for the next 10+ years.

IMU wrote:

Interesting. I don't often hear "he just didn't play enough to prove it" when talking about all time greats.

All time great infielder. 1600 innings in the infield puts him right up there with Ozzie Smith and Omar Vizquel.

What a career!

FavreFan wrote:

IMU wrote:

Interesting. I don't often hear "he just didn't play enough to prove it" when talking about all time greats.

We're talking about a guy that just played his first full year. Baez will be playing far more in 2017 and in the future.

We're talking about a guy that just played his first full year.

IMU wrote:

We're talking about a guy that just played his first full year.

Correct. This is exactly why it is insane to proclaim Baez as one of the all time great defensive players in the history of the game.

Frank Coztansa wrote:

IMU wrote:

We're talking about a guy that just played his first full year.

Correct. This is exactly why it is insane to proclaim Baez as one of the all time great defensive players in the history of the game.

Again...I believe one person and one person only claimed that.

I think Baez could currently be in the Top 2 or 3 and three different infield positions...and for me, that makes him the best current defensive player.

I was unborn and then young when Ozzie Smith played.

IMU wrote:

Frank Coztansa wrote:

IMU wrote:

We're talking about a guy that just played his first full year.

Correct. This is exactly why it is insane to proclaim Baez as one of the all time great defensive players in the history of the game.

Certainly doesn't look like a top 2 or 3 defensive 3B.

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:48 pm ]
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All time great infielder. 1600 innings in the infield puts him right up there with Ozzie Smith and Omar Vizquel. What a career!

Author:	leashyourkids [ Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:49 pm ]
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Frank's getting triggered and it's only March.

Author:	Matches Malone [ Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:56 pm ]
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You don't need a certain number of innings to have been a great defensive ball player.

Author:	Jbi11s [ Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:03 pm ]
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Fwiw I think he's one of the best infielders I've ever seen.

Author:	Scooter [ Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:14 pm ]
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leashyourkids wrote: :lol: Frank's getting triggered and it's only March. Wait until the season begins Holy Moly. By the time the Sox are 22 games out on May 31 he may have a coronary.

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Author:	RFDC [ Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:47 pm ]
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leashyourkids wrote: :lol: Frank's getting triggered and it's only March. going to be a fun summer

Author:	Elmhurst Steve [ Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:26 pm ]
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RFDC wrote: leashyourkids wrote: :lol: Frank's getting triggered and it's only March. going to be a fun summer Oh yeah.

Author:	Don Tiny [ Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:40 pm ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote: All time great infielder. 1600 innings in the infield puts him right up there with Ozzie Smith and Omar Vizquel. What a career!

Author:	IMU [ Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:56 pm ]
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The Sox fans really need a Cubs prospect to bust. ASAP. They need a victory.

Author:	Darkside [ Mon Mar 27, 2017 11:12 pm ]
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IMU wrote: The Sox fans... They need a victory. Well... they'll have about 62 or so this season.

Author:	FavreFan [ Tue Mar 28, 2017 12:57 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Javier Baez!
IMU wrote: The Sox fans really need a Cubs prospect to bust. ASAP. They need a victory. It's hilarious hearing Cub fans rally by Matches and spin "Don't think Baez is as good as Ozzie Smith defensively" into "Sox fans are melting down and need a victory!". Except Darko. He knew that shit was ridiculous. He's one of the good ones.

Author:	Brick [ Tue Mar 28, 2017 5:30 am ]
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FavreFan wrote: IMU wrote: The Sox fans really need a Cubs prospect to bust. ASAP. They need a victory. It's hilarious hearing Cub fans rally by Matches and spin "Don't think Baez is as good as Ozzie Smith defensively" into "Sox fans are melting down and need a victory!". Except Darko. He knew that shit was ridiculous. He's one of the good ones. Cubs fans have gotten more defensive. Bizarre for a team that won a title.

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Tue Mar 28, 2017 6:09 am ]
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Nobody is melting down. We are pointing and laughing at how ridiculous Cubs fans sound. Myself nor any other Sox fan put any sort of ceiling on Baez or disparaged his career at all. We have simply correctly stated that he is not yet an all time great. I thought it would not and could not get any crazier than Cubs fans doing trust falls and jumping into the Chicago River on parade day. I guess I have severely underestimated the Cubs fanbase

Author:	T-Bone [ Tue Mar 28, 2017 7:50 am ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote: Nobody is melting down. We are pointing and laughing at how ridiculous Cubs fans sound. Myself nor any other Sox fan put any sort of ceiling on Baez or disparaged his career at all. We have simply correctly stated that he is not yet an all time great. I thought it would not and could not get any crazier than Cubs fans doing trust falls and jumping into the Chicago River on parade day. I guess I have severely underestimated the Cubs fanbase "Cubs Fans" is such a broad brush. They have been coming out of the woodwork for 2-3 years now. I actually feel a little skeevy telling people that I am a Cubs fan because I think that tends to indicate that I have become a fan within the past 5 years rather than the mid 80s when it actually happened.

Author:	JORR [ Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:44 am ]
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The Reds had a guy named Jerry Lynch back in the 50s and 60s who was described in Baseball Digest as "too good to play everyday." Javy Baez is apparently the modern day Jerry Lynch.

Author:	Chet Coppock's Fur Coat [ Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:28 am ]
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He's by no means the best defensive infielder ever. Ozzie Smith, Omar Vizquel and Mark Belanger come to mind without even thinking hard. But I'll agree with Joe Posnanski that it's fair to call him the best tagger ever. http://m.mlb.com/news/article/219434958 ... ay-in-wbc/

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Author:	IMU [ Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:18 am ]
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You simply worry too much about what other people think.

Author:	T-Bone [ Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:24 am ]
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IMU wrote: You simply worry too much about what other people think. I probably do but fortunately I don't have many friends and don't talk to a whole lot of people about the Cubs. I stay out of Cubs business!

Author:	leashyourkids [ Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:25 am ]
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FavreFan wrote: IMU wrote: The Sox fans really need a Cubs prospect to bust. ASAP. They need a victory. It's hilarious hearing Cub fans rally by Matches and spin "Don't think Baez is as good as Ozzie Smith defensively" into "Sox fans are melting down and need a victory!". Except Darko. He knew that shit was ridiculous. He's one of the good ones. Are you going to cry?

Author:	FavreFan [ Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:20 am ]
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leashyourkids wrote: FavreFan wrote: IMU wrote: The Sox fans really need a Cubs prospect to bust. ASAP. They need a victory. It's hilarious hearing Cub fans rally by Matches and spin "Don't think Baez is as good as Ozzie Smith defensively" into "Sox fans are melting down and need a victory!". Except Darko. He knew that shit was ridiculous. He's one of the good ones. Are you going to cry? From laughing too hard?

Author:	IMU [ Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:47 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Javier Baez!
Omar Vizquel wasn't that good. Look at this numbers. In "part time play", Baez had a 2.0 dWAR last season. Omar Vizquel only surpassed that four times in his career, and he averaged 1210 innings during those seasons. Baez did it in 973 innings. Baez could throw up a 2.0 + dWAR each season for the next 10+ years.

Author:	FavreFan [ Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:50 am ]
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IMU wrote: Omar Vizquel wasn't that good. Look at this numbers. In "part time play", Baez had a 2.0 dWAR last season. Omar Vizquel only surpassed that four times in his career, and he averaged 1210 innings during those seasons. Baez did it in 973 innings. Baez could throw up a 2.0 + dWAR each season for the next 10+ years. Interesting. I don't often hear "he just didn't play enough to prove it" when talking about all time greats.

Author:	IMU [ Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:53 am ]
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FavreFan wrote: IMU wrote: Omar Vizquel wasn't that good. Look at this numbers. In "part time play", Baez had a 2.0 dWAR last season. Omar Vizquel only surpassed that four times in his career, and he averaged 1210 innings during those seasons. Baez did it in 973 innings. Baez could throw up a 2.0 + dWAR each season for the next 10+ years. Interesting. I don't often hear "he just didn't play enough to prove it" when talking about all time greats. We're talking about a guy that just played his first full year. Baez will be playing far more in 2017 and in the future.

Author:	SteveSarley [ Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:56 am ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote: All time great infielder. 1600 innings in the infield puts him right up there with Ozzie Smith and Omar Vizquel. What a career! The Sultan of Syrup has had a mental breakdown and the season hasn't even started yet!

Author:	FavreFan [ Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:57 am ]
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IMU wrote: FavreFan wrote: IMU wrote: Omar Vizquel wasn't that good. Look at this numbers. In "part time play", Baez had a 2.0 dWAR last season. Omar Vizquel only surpassed that four times in his career, and he averaged 1210 innings during those seasons. Baez did it in 973 innings. Baez could throw up a 2.0 + dWAR each season for the next 10+ years. Interesting. I don't often hear "he just didn't play enough to prove it" when talking about all time greats. We're talking about a guy that just played his first full year. Baez will be playing far more in 2017 and in the future. Yep, and the future might be a more appropriate time to revisit this.

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Tue Mar 28, 2017 12:51 pm ]
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IMU wrote: We're talking about a guy that just played his first full year. Correct. This is exactly why it is insane to proclaim Baez as one of the all time great defensive players in the history of the game.

Author:	IMU [ Tue Mar 28, 2017 2:12 pm ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote: IMU wrote: We're talking about a guy that just played his first full year. Correct. This is exactly why it is insane to proclaim Baez as one of the all time great defensive players in the history of the game. Again...I believe one person and one person only claimed that. I think Baez could currently be in the Top 2 or 3 and three different infield positions...and for me, that makes him the best current defensive player. I was unborn and then young when Ozzie Smith played.

Author:	FavreFan [ Tue Mar 28, 2017 2:35 pm ]
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IMU wrote: Frank Coztansa wrote: IMU wrote: We're talking about a guy that just played his first full year. Correct. This is exactly why it is insane to proclaim Baez as one of the all time great defensive players in the history of the game. Again...I believe one person and one person only claimed that. I think Baez could currently be in the Top 2 or 3 and three different infield positions...and for me, that makes him the best current defensive player. I was unborn and then young when Ozzie Smith played. Certainly doesn't look like a top 2 or 3 defensive 3B.

Author:	IMU [ Tue Mar 28, 2017 2:47 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote: IMU wrote: Frank Coztansa wrote: IMU wrote: We're talking about a guy that just played his first full year. Correct. This is exactly why it is insane to proclaim Baez as one of the all time great defensive players in the history of the game. Again...I believe one person and one person only claimed that. I think Baez could currently be in the Top 2 or 3 and three different infield positions...and for me, that makes him the best current defensive player. I was unborn and then young when Ozzie Smith played. Certainly doesn't look like a top 2 or 3 defensive 3B. https://youtu.be/xoY9IMsO_nY?t=105 https://youtu.be/xoY9IMsO_nY?t=121 https://youtu.be/xoY9IMsO_nY?t=164 https://youtu.be/xoY9IMsO_nY?t=200 The link limit is gonna get me.

Author:	FavreFan [ Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:00 pm ]
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Consistency > highlights