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| Author: | Ogie Oglethorpe [ Mon Oct 09, 2017 5:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Kyle Schwarber's Defense |
Love it! SchwarbFails > SchwarBombs |
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| Author: | FrankDrebin [ Mon Oct 09, 2017 5:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kyle Schwarber's Defense |
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote: Love it! SchwarbFails > SchwarBombs He is the new Adam Dunn/Rob Deer/Jeremy Burnitz. |
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| Author: | Chus [ Mon Oct 09, 2017 5:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kyle Schwarber's Defense |
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote: Love it! SchwarbFails > SchwarBombs RFDC wrote: Sox fans, something something. FAP FAP FAP
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| Author: | Peoria Matt [ Mon Oct 09, 2017 5:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kyle Schwarber's Defense |
FrankDrebin wrote: Ogie Oglethorpe wrote: Love it! SchwarbFails > SchwarBombs He is the new Adam Dunn/Rob Deer/Jeremy Burnitz. Joe Charboneau |
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| Author: | SuperMario [ Tue Oct 10, 2017 7:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kyle Schwarber's Defense |
Seriously. How do you commit two errors in one play? |
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| Author: | pittmike [ Tue Oct 10, 2017 7:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kyle Schwarber's Defense |
The thing I do not get is how anyone can call him good. You can love him, be thankful for his contributions, even be willing to tolerate him in the field. You cannot objectively call him a good fielder though. Yet some do. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kyle Schwarber's Defense |
pittmike wrote: The thing I do not get is how anyone can call him good. You can love him, be thankful for his contributions, even be willing to tolerate him in the field. You cannot objectively call him a good fielder though. Yet some do. Literally have never heard that. Who said that? |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kyle Schwarber's Defense |
SuperMario wrote: Seriously. How do you commit two errors in one play? That is not the first time Schwarber has made two errors on the same play this season.
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| Author: | pittmike [ Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kyle Schwarber's Defense |
rogers park bryan wrote: pittmike wrote: The thing I do not get is how anyone can call him good. You can love him, be thankful for his contributions, even be willing to tolerate him in the field. You cannot objectively call him a good fielder though. Yet some do. Literally have never heard that. Who said that? Some. |
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| Author: | 312player [ Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kyle Schwarber's Defense |
rogers park bryan wrote: pittmike wrote: The thing I do not get is how anyone can call him good. You can love him, be thankful for his contributions, even be willing to tolerate him in the field. You cannot objectively call him a good fielder though. Yet some do. Literally have never heard that. Who said that? City of fools, mark Silverman |
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| Author: | GoldenJet [ Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kyle Schwarber's Defense |
Tolerable...but only if he's hitting |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kyle Schwarber's Defense |
312player wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: pittmike wrote: The thing I do not get is how anyone can call him good. You can love him, be thankful for his contributions, even be willing to tolerate him in the field. You cannot objectively call him a good fielder though. Yet some do. Literally have never heard that. Who said that? City of fools, mark Silverman City of fools...of course. Silverman knows better. Not sure what that's about. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kyle Schwarber's Defense |
312 is full of shit. I listen to W&S almost daily, and I have never heard Silvy call Schwarber a good defender. |
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| Author: | Caller Bob [ Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kyle Schwarber's Defense |
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote: Love it! SchwarbFails > SchwarBombs How are the White Sox doing this postseason? |
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| Author: | 312player [ Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kyle Schwarber's Defense |
Silvy was adamant about Schwarber being an above average left fielder in April and May.. He hasnt said it since but he he was telling anybody that would listen hes fine out there and there are many worse left fielders in MLB than Schwarber. |
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| Author: | City of Fools [ Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kyle Schwarber's Defense |
rogers park bryan wrote: pittmike wrote: The thing I do not get is how anyone can call him good. You can love him, be thankful for his contributions, even be willing to tolerate him in the field. You cannot objectively call him a good fielder though. Yet some do. Literally have never heard that. Who said that? seriously. I think his outfield defense is passable and I'm probably the one with the highest opinion of him. |
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| Author: | City of Fools [ Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kyle Schwarber's Defense |
rogers park bryan wrote: 312player wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: pittmike wrote: The thing I do not get is how anyone can call him good. You can love him, be thankful for his contributions, even be willing to tolerate him in the field. You cannot objectively call him a good fielder though. Yet some do. Literally have never heard that. Who said that? City of fools, mark Silverman City of fools...of course. Silverman knows better. Not sure what that's about. I have not said that at all. I've said he's better than Dunn and Glenallen Hill, the two worst LF's I've ever seen in Wrigley. He's passable, despite last night. |
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| Author: | IMU [ Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kyle Schwarber's Defense |
It isn't passable. He has dropped no less than 5 balls this season alone that have hit his glove, and we aren't talking about it 'glanced' off of a fully outstretched glove. He also has allowed runners to advance an extra base, and he has let a couple get past him completely all the way to the wall. He also has had a terrible time throwing to second on close doubles, and he has missed several cutoffs. Passable might be dropping one easy fly ball per season, and 2-3 bobbles. Passable could also be an outfielder catching all routine fly balls but then having an issue throwing accurately to a base. |
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| Author: | Caller Bob [ Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kyle Schwarber's Defense |
I love his fire and passion. I love the anger and how he was just beating himself over it. Like Doc said, I'd put him right back out there today. His defense is bad, no doubt..how can you hate the guy though? He's pure awesome. Definitely I would let him in my fox hole. |
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| Author: | City of Fools [ Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kyle Schwarber's Defense |
IMU wrote: It isn't passable. He has dropped no less than 5 balls this season alone that have hit his glove, and we aren't talking about it 'glanced' off of a fully outstretched glove. He also has allowed runners to advance an extra base, and he has let a couple get past him completely all the way to the wall. He also has had a terrible time throwing to second on close doubles, and he has missed several cutoffs. Passable might be dropping one easy fly ball per season, and 2-3 bobbles. Passable could also be an outfielder catching all routine fly balls but then having an issue throwing accurately to a base. that's just not true. He's a LF, not a RF or CF. Earlier in the game he made a great throw to hold a runner to a single. Look, I'm one of the guys that said trade him last year after the WS. But he's on the team, and his bat eventually will contribute in a big way, especially in these 1 or two run games. |
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| Author: | Chus [ Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kyle Schwarber's Defense |
rogers park bryan wrote: pittmike wrote: The thing I do not get is how anyone can call him good. You can love him, be thankful for his contributions, even be willing to tolerate him in the field. You cannot objectively call him a good fielder though. Yet some do. Literally have never heard that. Who said that? Barry Rozner and Steve from Elmhurst. |
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| Author: | IMU [ Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kyle Schwarber's Defense |
It is true. No one designated left field as a place for fielders that cannot catch. The only reason that LF is considered weaker than RF is throwing. More balls are hit to LF than to RF over the course of a season. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kyle Schwarber's Defense |
I'll give you Avi Garcia for him. |
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| Author: | Caller Bob [ Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kyle Schwarber's Defense |
IMU wrote: It is true. No one designated left field as a place for fielders that cannot catch. The only reason that LF is considered weaker than RF is throwing. More balls are hit to LF than to RF over the course of a season. Right handed pull hitters usually hit a bomb or a lazy fly out on outfield contact. When they go the other way it's a laser line drive requiring more range. Of course it's the opposite for lefties but there are more righties than lefties so that's also why you stick your bad fielder in left. |
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| Author: | City of Fools [ Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kyle Schwarber's Defense |
Caller Bob wrote: IMU wrote: It is true. No one designated left field as a place for fielders that cannot catch. The only reason that LF is considered weaker than RF is throwing. More balls are hit to LF than to RF over the course of a season. Right handed pull hitters usually hit a bomb or a lazy fly out on outfield contact. When they go the other way it's a laser line drive requiring more range. Of course it's the opposite for lefties but there are more righties than lefties so that's also why you stick your bad fielder in left. anyone who's played OF or IF knows that oppo drives or grounders are more difficult to predict. edit, bob already said this. |
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| Author: | 312player [ Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kyle Schwarber's Defense |
You need a stronger more accurate arm in right..longer tbrow to 3rd base. |
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| Author: | Bagels [ Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kyle Schwarber's Defense |
Caller Bob wrote: I love his fire and passion. I love the anger and how he was just beating himself over it. Like Doc said, I'd put him right back out there today. His defense is bad, no doubt..how can you hate the guy though? He's pure awesome. Definitely I would let him in my fox hole. runaway meatball |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kyle Schwarber's Defense |
312player wrote: Silvy was adamant about Schwarber being an above average left fielder in April and May.. He hasnt said it since but he he was telling anybody that would listen hes fine out there and there are many worse left fielders in MLB than Schwarber. Stop making things up. He never said this.
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kyle Schwarber's Defense |
In theory all you have to do in LF is keep the ball in front of you and you can hold him to a single. somebody bust out the Schwarber-in-the fog GIF please. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kyle Schwarber's Defense |
There may be 3-4 LF in baseball that are worse. Khris Davis Benintendi Kemp Duvall Some numbers (taken with a grain of salt, as def metrics are....not quite there) have him as one of the better LF's. Of the 20 LF who played at least 700 innings... 5th in UZR/150 2nd in ARM rating 10th in range factor He is passable. His miscues just look worse than most because he's a big plodding fuck. |
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