Ardent capitalists will not like this proposal one bit.


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/07/17/ch ... ogram.html

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As noted they are starting this in Stockton, CA. I don't know how Chicago would finance this. It's certainly the way we are headed though.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

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Ecclesiastes 5:8

I hear people like you and Brick mention this but never really see any serious movement in an actual government. Does not matter either way really but I think we will see a huge resistance to this from the people just above whatever cut off line would differentiate between the working and non working.

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Elections have consequences.

Funny shit. A pilot program is also going on in Sacramento also. Free money? NOTHING IS FREE!!!!!!

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

I have no idea how universal basic income will work on anything less than a federal level, but Ruffcorn is right that we are heading toward it. There's just not gonna be enough work to do.

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We have already reached a point where a significant amount of the work being done should be automated or at mostly computerized. I would say insurance claims are something that a computer could likely do. And anytime someone's job is to move things on spreadsheets, it's likely they should be doing it in a different way.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

People will go crazy

CH is correct. It has to be at the Federal level, and it must be a more robust benefit. If you do it only in Chicago, you will have people moving in to gain the benefit and drive up housing costs. The people taxed to cover it will move out.

Immigration will cause problems on a national scale because it would cause even more pressure for people to come to the U.S.

It is an interesting concept. Just makes sure there is revenue to support it.

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Hawaii (fuck) You

This is all I am saying. Not that it is right or wrong or that is should or should not happen. I can't see how it will actually come about and how people with go for it.

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Elections have consequences.

It really does not matter. At some point whether it is a Robin Hood action, just printing pretend money or flat out socialism there will be a sizable faction of the population unhappy.

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Elections have consequences.

One of the liberal arguments against M4A has been that it will put cubicle jockeys out of work, and because many of them are women, wanting Medicare for all means you hate all women and want them to lose their jobs. Great. But yeah, if we're going to automate semitrucks, we should be able to automate Microsoft Excel drones. I'd even say we should do that first.

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When I was flying in for my brothers funeral. I was listening to this guy talk about something like it.
In stead of an income tax there is a universal federal sales tax. Then everyone gets an equal payment. You want more you work. The only way it could work is if we fixed immigration and the prison system.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

It's a fine audio format, and fukk ewe if you don't like it.

The concept has very little to do with immigration or prison. And those fixes are also a completely separate discussion.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

I'm fine with UBA if the money for it comes out of other more inefficient benefits programs which for those people would qualify. Let the people get a little more money by removing the inefficiency.

Now if he's going to fund it by just taxing every employer 1% of gross salaries, then he's fucked in the head.

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"When people want their version of the truth, they go find it, no matter how baseless their beliefs." -- Ken Rosenthal

Unless the thinking is that prisoners get the benefit as well as immigrants legal or otherwise. There can be discussion in those areas regarding this.

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https://newrepublic.com/article/143758/ ... -wrong-ubi


If you're on the same side as Charles Murray, you should get on the other side. If he ordered a chocolate shake, I'd order a vanilla.

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I'm fine with only modifying UBI to only be for people who qualify for other benefit programs, to avoid the pitfalls of Murray's approach. If it is revenue-neutral, I don't need a UBI while I am working.

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"When people want their version of the truth, they go find it, no matter how baseless their beliefs." -- Ken Rosenthal

I would say it depends significantly on what line of business you're talking about.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

I would say not for long.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

I doubt it is a coincidence that an alderman not running for re election is the originator of the legislation.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Sorry about your brother.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

As long as it comes out of pockets of Democrat charitable giving, I am all for this. Also, wonder if their will be a racial test for who gets this money? Will it be given based on the racial make-up of the city(s)? How many Asians do you think will be given this charity I wonder?

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

Maybe he is hoping that he makes the charitable list?

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

This very well may be the stupidest thing I've ever heard in my life.

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http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014

Considering you're a longtime member of CFMB, I find that difficult to believe.

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Ecclesiastes 5:8

Now that you mention it....
Nope still the stupidest.

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"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014

If (and this if is the only condition under which I would support this) you do away with every other welfare program, then I would be in favor of this. That is precisely what was in the proposal Milton Friedman had when he talked about the Negative Income Tax 50 years ago. In the end, it's a far more efficient system and gives people the power to either succeed or fail based upon their own decisions and merits. If they still sink with the negative income tax, then that's on them.

Of course those proposing the UBI today want it in conjunction with every other failed welfare program yet somehow expect it to yield different results

Also, can I just add that I really miss having Milton Friedman around? He is the man who got me interested in econ in the 1st place and why I eventually majored in it.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

And when they fail, then what? We let them starve in the streets?

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Ecclesiastes 5:8