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Author:  Curious Hair [ Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Missouri!
It is with a heavy heart that I congratulate this state for anything but they killed "right-to-work."
Author:  ZephMarshack [ Tue Aug 07, 2018 11:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Missouri!
St. Louis bounced the bootlicking prosecutor who helped Darren Wilson avoid trial too.
Author:  RFDC [ Tue Aug 07, 2018 11:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Missouri!
Glad to be of help to you CH
Author:  Nas [ Tue Aug 07, 2018 11:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Missouri!
ZephMarshack wrote:
St. Louis bounced the bootlicking prosecutor who helped Darren Wilson avoid trial too.


Starz has a great documentary about all of that.
Author:  newper [ Wed Aug 08, 2018 12:04 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Missouri!
Rush Hudson Limbaugh III was born in Cape Girardeau.
Author:  Mr. Reason [ Wed Aug 08, 2018 12:08 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Missouri!
newper wrote:
Rush Hudson Limbaugh III was born in Cape Girardeau.

He had enough sense to get out.
Author:  WaitingforRuffcorn [ Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:00 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Missouri!
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/gov ... e-trending

Link on the story.
Author:  good dolphin [ Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:39 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Missouri!
stupid workers of America finally realizing that the title of the type of legislation is a misnomer
Author:  denisdman [ Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:41 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Missouri!
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/democrats-unions-declare-victory-as-vote-tallies-show-right-to/article_d75fc640-45e0-5ecc-93c9-91cecca36113.html#tracking-source=home-trending

Link on the story.


Wow not even close. A victory for the Russians!
Author:  GoldenJet [ Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Missouri!
Doing their part to save the middle class!
Author:  WaitingforRuffcorn [ Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Missouri!
Curious Hair wrote:
It is with a heavy heart that I congratulate this state for anything but they killed "right-to-work."


What's funny about Missouri is that it's really not that different from Illinois. St. Louis suburbs are very similar to Chicago suburbs. Take two places that are very similar, change one thing about them and you have a rivalry.
Author:  Seacrest [ Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:15 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Missouri!
Nas wrote:
ZephMarshack wrote:
St. Louis bounced the bootlicking prosecutor who helped Darren Wilson avoid trial too.


Starz has a great documentary about all of that.



If Eric Holder had a case, he would have brought it.
Author:  tommy [ Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:41 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Missouri!
Seacrest wrote:
Nas wrote:
ZephMarshack wrote:
St. Louis bounced the bootlicking prosecutor who helped Darren Wilson avoid trial too.


Starz has a great documentary about all of that.



If Eric Holder had a case, he would have brought it.


I agree as far as Wilson goes.

But they brang one against the town (Ferguson). It was bullshit the way they were jailing people for fines they could not pay. If Holder could have done this against the cops, he would have.
Author:  WaitingforRuffcorn [ Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:44 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Missouri!
There is some law in Missouri that if you have a town it has to have it's own police force. So we've created a system where the police basically have to self-fund through bullshit fines. It's a tax more or less because these town and departments could not survive without them.
Author:  ZephMarshack [ Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Missouri!
Seacrest wrote:
Nas wrote:
ZephMarshack wrote:
St. Louis bounced the bootlicking prosecutor who helped Darren Wilson avoid trial too.


Starz has a great documentary about all of that.

If Eric Holder had a case, he would have brought it.

That has nothing to do with and in no way absolves McCulloch blatantly playing defense attorney in front of the grand jury.
Author:  WaitingforRuffcorn [ Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:54 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Missouri!
He is in a difficult position to be sure. He has to work with the local police. Honestly in these cases it should almost always be under federal review.
Author:  tommy [ Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:00 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Missouri!
ZephMarshack wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
Nas wrote:
ZephMarshack wrote:
St. Louis bounced the bootlicking prosecutor who helped Darren Wilson avoid trial too.


Starz has a great documentary about all of that.

If Eric Holder had a case, he would have brought it.

That has nothing to do with and in no way absolves McCulloch blatantly playing defense attorney in front of the grand jury.

Surprising response by Zeph there.
Author:  pittmike [ Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:05 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Missouri!
tommy wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
Nas wrote:
ZephMarshack wrote:
St. Louis bounced the bootlicking prosecutor who helped Darren Wilson avoid trial too.


Starz has a great documentary about all of that.



If Eric Holder had a case, he would have brought it.


I agree as far as Wilson goes.

But they brang one against the town (Ferguson). It was bullshit the way they were jailing people for fines they could not pay. If Holder could have done this against the cops, he would have.


I am not certain specifically what you mean by this reference. So if this is some specific Missouri thing I am missing I pologize in advance.

I remember sitting in Cook County courts years ago many times watching case waiting for a ticket or some crap of mine to be called. Many many times I saw judges assigning jail for people that could not pay their fines. It seemed liek on 2nd or 3rd appearances and it was usually something like 3 days for a $250 fine or something.

Is this not usual for some reason anymore? Do poor people just not pay fines?
Author:  ZephMarshack [ Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:15 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Missouri!
tommy wrote:
ZephMarshack wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
Nas wrote:
ZephMarshack wrote:
St. Louis bounced the bootlicking prosecutor who helped Darren Wilson avoid trial too.


Starz has a great documentary about all of that.

If Eric Holder had a case, he would have brought it.

That has nothing to do with and in no way absolves McCulloch blatantly playing defense attorney in front of the grand jury.

Surprising response by Zeph there.

How so? To be clear I'm not conceding anything Seacrest said at all but merely focusing on McCulloch's own actions, which were not in any way justifiable outside of cynical political expediency, rather than relitigating the entire case.
Author:  tommy [ Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Missouri!
ZephMarshack wrote:
tommy wrote:
ZephMarshack wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
Nas wrote:
ZephMarshack wrote:
St. Louis bounced the bootlicking prosecutor who helped Darren Wilson avoid trial too.


Starz has a great documentary about all of that.

If Eric Holder had a case, he would have brought it.

That has nothing to do with and in no way absolves McCulloch blatantly playing defense attorney in front of the grand jury.

Surprising response by Zeph there.

How so? To be clear I'm not conceding anything Seacrest said at all but merely focusing on McCulloch's own actions, which were not in any way justifiable outside of cynical political expediency, rather than relitigating the entire case.

I'm just messing with ya.
Author:  Nas [ Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:47 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Missouri!
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
He is in a difficult position to be sure. He has to work with the local police. Honestly in these cases it should almost always be under federal review.


I completely agree
Author:  Nas [ Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Missouri!
pittmike wrote:
tommy wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
Nas wrote:
ZephMarshack wrote:
St. Louis bounced the bootlicking prosecutor who helped Darren Wilson avoid trial too.


Starz has a great documentary about all of that.



If Eric Holder had a case, he would have brought it.


I agree as far as Wilson goes.

But they brang one against the town (Ferguson). It was bullshit the way they were jailing people for fines they could not pay. If Holder could have done this against the cops, he would have.


I am not certain specifically what you mean by this reference. So if this is some specific Missouri thing I am missing I pologize in advance.

I remember sitting in Cook County courts years ago many times watching case waiting for a ticket or some crap of mine to be called. Many many times I saw judges assigning jail for people that could not pay their fines. It seemed liek on 2nd or 3rd appearances and it was usually something like 3 days for a $250 fine or something.

Is this not usual for some reason anymore? Do poor people just not pay fines?


I think that they had a similar but more severe system. People have been sitting in county jails around the country for months or years because they couldn't afford a bond that was hundreds or just a couple thousand dollars.
Author:  America [ Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:53 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Missouri!
brang.
Author:  Seacrest [ Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Missouri!
ZephMarshack wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
Nas wrote:
ZephMarshack wrote:
St. Louis bounced the bootlicking prosecutor who helped Darren Wilson avoid trial too.


Starz has a great documentary about all of that.

If Eric Holder had a case, he would have brought it.

That has nothing to do with and in no way absolves McCulloch blatantly playing defense attorney in front of the grand jury.


Blatantly playing defense attorney doesn't negate the fact that there was NO case to be brought.
Author:  tommy [ Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Missouri!
Nas wrote:
pittmike wrote:
tommy wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
Nas wrote:
ZephMarshack wrote:
St. Louis bounced the bootlicking prosecutor who helped Darren Wilson avoid trial too.


Starz has a great documentary about all of that.



If Eric Holder had a case, he would have brought it.


I agree as far as Wilson goes.

But they brang one against the town (Ferguson). It was bullshit the way they were jailing people for fines they could not pay. If Holder could have done this against the cops, he would have.


I am not certain specifically what you mean by this reference. So if this is some specific Missouri thing I am missing I pologize in advance.

I remember sitting in Cook County courts years ago many times watching case waiting for a ticket or some crap of mine to be called. Many many times I saw judges assigning jail for people that could not pay their fines. It seemed liek on 2nd or 3rd appearances and it was usually something like 3 days for a $250 fine or something.

Is this not usual for some reason anymore? Do poor people just not pay fines?


I think that they had a similar but more severe system. People have been sitting in county jails around the country for months or years because they couldn't afford a bond that was hundreds or just a couple thousand dollars.


That's a good point about poor people and fines, but this seemed extreme, and apparently they were targeting blacks:

https://www.cnn.com/2015/03/06/us/fergu ... index.html

CNN wrote:
The fines were among the highest of surrounding municipalities. For example, area parking fines ranged from $5 to $100, but Ferguson's parking fine was $102.

A fine for "weeds/tall grass" was $5 in one nearby city, but Ferguson's fine ranged from $77 to $102, the Justice Department found.

The federal government made a forceful conclusion:

"City, police and court officials for years have worked in concert to maximize revenue at every stage of the enforcement process, beginning with how fines and fine enforcement processes are established," the federal report said.


I don't really trust CNN to get anything right, but this seemed to be the story everyone else (and the DOJ) shared.
Author:  ZephMarshack [ Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:53 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Missouri!
Seacrest wrote:
ZephMarshack wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
Nas wrote:
ZephMarshack wrote:
St. Louis bounced the bootlicking prosecutor who helped Darren Wilson avoid trial too.


Starz has a great documentary about all of that.

If Eric Holder had a case, he would have brought it.

That has nothing to do with and in no way absolves McCulloch blatantly playing defense attorney in front of the grand jury.


Blatantly playing defense attorney doesn't negate the fact that there was NO case to be brought.

Except, again, no one was talking about the merits of the case in this thread at all until you rushed in, ascended your pedestal, and helpfully informed everyone of The Way Things Must Be. You're either trying to excuse or justify McCulloch's disgraceful performance or at the very least distract from it.
Author:  Seacrest [ Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Missouri!
This your post below.

ZephMarshack wrote:
St. Louis bounced the bootlicking prosecutor who helped Darren Wilson avoid trial too.


If there was NO case, there wasn't a trial to help him avoid.

You are either mentally ill, or the most blatantly insincere poster on this site.

Unless of course you think prosecutors should indict people without cause.
Author:  long time guy [ Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Missouri!
Seacrest wrote:
This your post below.

ZephMarshack wrote:
St. Louis bounced the bootlicking prosecutor who helped Darren Wilson avoid trial too.


If there was NO case, there wasn't a trial to help him avoid.

You are either mentally ill, or the most blatantly insincere poster on this site.


Not by a longshot.
Author:  Seacrest [ Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:59 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Missouri!
long time guy wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
This your post below.

ZephMarshack wrote:
St. Louis bounced the bootlicking prosecutor who helped Darren Wilson avoid trial too.


If there was NO case, there wasn't a trial to help him avoid.

You are either mentally ill, or the most blatantly insincere poster on this site.


Not by a longshot.


In the team photo then.
Author:  ZephMarshack [ Wed Aug 08, 2018 12:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Missouri!
Seacrest wrote:
This your post below.

ZephMarshack wrote:
St. Louis bounced the bootlicking prosecutor who helped Darren Wilson avoid trial too.


If there was NO case, there wasn't a trial to help him avoid.

You are either mentally ill, or the most blatantly insincere poster on this site.

You haven't disputed once up to this point whether McCulloch actually played a role more akin to defense attorney rather than prosecutor in front of the grand jury and whether that was an abdication of his responsibilities or completely justifiable. If you'd like to actually discuss whether that was the case or not, feel free, but nothing you've posted actually contradicts my initial post. You've merely tried to distract from it by going on about Holder and the true ( :roll: ) nature of the case.
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