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Author:  Kirkwood [ Thu Jan 24, 2019 11:43 am ]
Post subject:  Cleveland Browns GM - John Dorsey

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25797430/inside-cleveland-browns-front-office-where-hope-history-collide
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...just as the Mayfield pick was Dorsey's pick. For once, Haslam didn't parade in friends to watch last year's draft. It was a scout's draft. The analytics team had limited influence. Dorsey was skeptical of their helpfulness when he first got the job. He told an associate that he didn't need "fucking nerds" to tell him how to evaluate players.

:alien:

Author:  Curious Hair [ Thu Jan 24, 2019 11:48 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Cleveland Browns GM - John Dorsey

I like analytics but I think at least one team per league should completely eschew fucking nerds. You know, just to see what happens.

Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Thu Jan 24, 2019 11:53 am ]
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Curious Hair wrote:
I like analytics but I think at least one team per league should completely eschew fucking nerds. You know, just to see what happens.


You get the 2013 Chicago White Sox.

Author:  SpiralStairs [ Thu Jan 24, 2019 11:59 am ]
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Terry's Peeps wrote:
Curious Hair wrote:
I like analytics but I think at least one team per league should completely eschew fucking nerds. You know, just to see what happens.


You get the 2013 Chicago White Sox.


Wew lad that roster: http://www.baseball-almanac.com/teamsta ... 2013&t=CHA

Author:  Kirkwood [ Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Cleveland Browns GM - John Dorsey

analytics has it's place in sports.

but there's just something that tingles the plums when a football guy sneers "fucking nerds"

Author:  FavreFan [ Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:46 pm ]
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Kirkwood wrote:
analytics has it's place in sports.

It's amusing that it took this long to realize home runs, three point shots, and deep touchdown passes are good and nerds had to be the ones to break the news.

Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:59 pm ]
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Kirkwood wrote:
analytics has it's place in sports.

but there's just something that tingles the plums when a football guy sneers "fucking nerds"

Especially in Cleveland where it took them three (four?) seasons to win the same amount of games that they won this season.

Author:  Don Tiny [ Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:07 pm ]
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SpiralStairs wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Curious Hair wrote:
I like analytics but I think at least one team per league should completely eschew fucking nerds. You know, just to see what happens.


You get the 2013 Chicago White Sox.


Wew lad that roster: http://www.baseball-almanac.com/teamsta ... 2013&t=CHA

What about Danks?

Author:  Big Chicagoan [ Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Cleveland Browns GM - John Dorsey

You can use analytics in baseball because its really more of an individual performance sport. Football is really more about team ability, where analytics doesn't really help.

Author:  FavreFan [ Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:43 pm ]
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Big Chicagoan wrote:
You can use analytics in baseball because its really more of an individual performance sport. Football is really more about team ability, where analytics doesn't really help.

I mostly agree but analytics have driven the sport towards being more aggressive on 4th down, which was a much needed improvement from 10+ years ago.

Author:  Big Chicagoan [ Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:46 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
Big Chicagoan wrote:
You can use analytics in baseball because its really more of an individual performance sport. Football is really more about team ability, where analytics doesn't really help.

I mostly agree but analytics have driven the sport towards being more aggressive on 4th down, which was a much needed improvement from 10+ years ago.


That's true. I was more talking about player evaluation.

Author:  billypootons [ Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:52 pm ]
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KEVIN WHITE had 4.3 speed and all the other measurables you could want.... only problem, kevin white didnt know how to play WR. still doesnt

Author:  Jbi11s [ Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:56 pm ]
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Image

Author:  BigW72 [ Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:56 pm ]
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Is that the same thing though....athleticism v. analystics?

We still see this in the NFL. Drafting gifted athletes but they're football retarded.

Author:  Kirkwood [ Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Cleveland Browns GM - John Dorsey

Big Chicagoan wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Big Chicagoan wrote:
You can use analytics in baseball because its really more of an individual performance sport. Football is really more about team ability, where analytics doesn't really help.

I mostly agree but analytics have driven the sport towards being more aggressive on 4th down, which was a much needed improvement from 10+ years ago.


That's true. I was more talking about player evaluation.

I think one of the few position where analytical evaluation is helpful is with QBs. Helps that the position somewhat resembles pitching where you can calculate throwing trends.

Author:  Jbi11s [ Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:08 pm ]
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Plus changing the rules to help spread QBs transition easier to the league has certainly helped as well.

Author:  Caller Bob [ Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:14 pm ]
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DID NOT HAPPEN

Author:  Keyser Soze [ Thu Jan 24, 2019 3:09 pm ]
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wdelaney72 wrote:
Is that the same thing though....athleticism v. analystics?

We still see this in the NFL. Drafting gifted athletes but they're football retarded.

In Baseball I want the athlete every time. In football I want the athlete with the Neanderthal gene. Those two things can't be taught.

Author:  ZephMarshack [ Thu Jan 24, 2019 3:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Cleveland Browns GM - John Dorsey

The issue with praising Dorsey is that the nerds were the ones who acquired most of the talent on the defense and the assets that he's been able to use. They were just fired instead of Hue Jackson because Haslam is an impatient busybody owner. Giving Dorsey the credit though is like praising Bryan Colangelo for the Sixers.

Author:  Kirkwood [ Thu Jan 24, 2019 3:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Cleveland Browns GM - John Dorsey

ZephMarshack wrote:
The issue with praising Dorsey is that the nerds were the ones who acquired most of the talent on the defense and the assets that he's been able to use. They were just fired instead of Hue Jackson because Haslam is an impatient busybody owner. Giving Dorsey the credit though is like praising Bryan Colangelo for the Sixers.

I'm simply praising the footbally-ness of the quote.

I have no opinion of Dorsey's job building the Browns. Though he's had past success with KC and GB.

Author:  FavreFan [ Thu Jan 24, 2019 3:46 pm ]
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Drafting Mahomes and Baker in back to back years is pretty nice for the ol’ resume

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