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| Author: | vitoscotti [ Fri Mar 29, 2019 10:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Use of "per se" at the Score |
Kevin Z uses it quite a lot on 5 @ 5. Certain guys use it more than others. Some guys use it as a tool, when they're thinking of what next to say. Les is the biggest butcher of it. He uses it maybe 20x+ an hour. Joe Maddon talked to the media, per se. The game went into overtime, per se. It was a good vacation, per se. I put this thread in the shoutouts section, per se. |
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| Author: | Telegram Sam [ Fri Mar 29, 2019 11:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Use of "per se" at the Score |
I use "per se" way too much, both in writing and in speech. It is lazy, and it is usually just buying time while you try to formulate a point. I am not even entirely sure what it means. For these reasons, I support this DBOTW. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Fri Mar 29, 2019 11:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Use of "per se" at the Score |
Kevin Dziepak is my favorite SCORE guy currently. He should have a show. |
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| Author: | Jaw Breaker [ Fri Mar 29, 2019 12:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Use of "per se" at the Score |
One of the grammatical pet peeves I have is with Parkins always trying to avoid ending a sentence with a proposition. For example, instead of saying "the replay reviews are a pain to deal with," he would say something like, "the replay reviews are pain with which to deal." Or, "the base you're throwing to" becomes "the base to which you're throwing." It may be proper, but it usually sounds forced. I don't recall even Bernstein being so consciously formal. |
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| Author: | vitoscotti [ Fri Mar 29, 2019 12:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Use of "per se" at the Score |
Jaw Breaker wrote: One of the grammatical pet peeves I have is with Parkins always trying to avoid ending a sentence with a proposition. For example, instead of saying "the replay reviews are a pain to deal with," he would say something like, "the replay reviews are pain with which to deal." Or, "the base you're throwing to" becomes "the base to which you're throwing." It may be proper, but it usually sounds forced. I don't recall even Bernstein being so consciously formal. Probably from rough streets of his debate history. |
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| Author: | MajorKong [ Fri Mar 29, 2019 1:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Use of "per se" at the Score |
Jaw Breaker wrote: One of the grammatical pet peeves I have is with Parkins always trying to avoid ending a sentence with a proposition. For example, instead of saying "the replay reviews are a pain to deal with," he would say something like, "the replay reviews are pain with which to deal." Or, "the base you're throwing to" becomes "the base to which you're throwing." It may be proper, but it usually sounds forced. I don't recall even Bernstein being so consciously formal. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4XCZfkGF8k |
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| Author: | a retard [ Fri Mar 29, 2019 3:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Use of "per se" at the Score |
He learned it from Mac. |
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| Author: | Curious Hair [ Fri Mar 29, 2019 4:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Use of "per se" at the Score |
Most sentence-ending prepositions are actually phrasal verbs that are synonyms of other verbs (deal with = tolerate) and make less sense broken up and with-whiched than they would if you left them alone. Now and then it's better writing to keep the "pre" in preposition, but usually it's clumsy and pedantic. |
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| Author: | vitoscotti [ Sat Mar 30, 2019 5:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Use of "per se" at the Score |
Les, Parkins, Speigel discuss word use at 0.40. https://99tune.us/watch?v=9SFQf_mc68M |
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| Author: | JORR [ Sat Mar 30, 2019 6:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Use of "per se" at the Score |
Curious Hair wrote: Most sentence-ending prepositions are actually phrasal verbs that are synonyms of other verbs (deal with = tolerate) and make less sense broken up and with-whiched than they would if you left them alone. Now and then it's better writing to keep the "pre" in preposition, but usually it's clumsy and pedantic. I agree. And these rules are designed for writing, not colloquial conversation. Beyond that, my philosophy in writing is that as long as one is aware of the rules he may make a stylistic choice to break them. |
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| Author: | SpiralStairs [ Sat Mar 30, 2019 6:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Use of "per se" at the Score |
Jaw Breaker wrote: One of the grammatical pet peeves I have is with Parkins always trying to avoid ending a sentence with a proposition. For example, instead of saying "the replay reviews are a pain to deal with," he would say something like, "the replay reviews are pain with which to deal." Or, "the base you're throwing to" becomes "the base to which you're throwing." It may be proper, but it usually sounds forced. I don't recall even Bernstein being so consciously formal. Dan did this too. |
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| Author: | 312player [ Sat Mar 30, 2019 7:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Use of "per se" at the Score |
rogers park bryan wrote: Kevin Dziepak is my favorite SCORE guy currently. He should have a show. No doubt viewtopic.php?f=156&t=110610 |
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| Author: | vitoscotti [ Sat Mar 30, 2019 8:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Use of "per se" at the Score |
Hasn't Parkins been called "the new voice of the score". Isn't it ironic he speaks oddly? |
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| Author: | Curious Hair [ Sat Mar 30, 2019 1:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Use of "per se" at the Score |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Curious Hair wrote: Most sentence-ending prepositions are actually phrasal verbs that are synonyms of other verbs (deal with = tolerate) and make less sense broken up and with-whiched than they would if you left them alone. Now and then it's better writing to keep the "pre" in preposition, but usually it's clumsy and pedantic. I agree. And these rules are designed for writing, not colloquial conversation. Beyond that, my philosophy in writing is that as long as one is aware of the rules he may make a stylistic choice to break them. Which hypercorrection is a bigger pet peeve: saying things like "I don't know which coat on which to put" or adverbs modifying states of being? I have nerve damage in my hands: I feel badly. |
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| Author: | vitoscotti [ Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Use of "per se" at the Score |
How bout a dangling participle? Wear an overcoat? |
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| Author: | vitoscotti [ Wed Jun 09, 2021 12:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Use of "per se" at the Score |
B & R talked to Larry about Bernstein's Parkins impression. Mentioned was how Parkins pronounces important "impordant". Leila did a funny Chicago white guy dialect impression. I notice Les is trying not to use "per se" as a crutch. Instead now he's using "situation", and "basically" . |
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| Author: | Tad Queasy [ Wed Jun 09, 2021 11:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Use of "per se" at the Score |
vitoscotti wrote: B & R talked to Larry about Bernstein's Parkins impression. Mentioned was how Parkins pronounces important "impordant". Leila did a funny Chicago white guy dialect impression. I notice Les is trying not to use "per se" as a crutch. Instead now he's using "situation", and "basically" . I have noticed more and more people pronouncing "important" as "impordant." Leila's vocal fry is often pretty rough. |
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| Author: | SpiralStairs [ Wed Jun 09, 2021 12:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Use of "per se" at the Score |
Hearing someone say "impordant" is expecially annoying. |
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| Author: | Bagels [ Wed Jun 09, 2021 12:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Use of "per se" at the Score |
my boss always says 'with that being said...' as a crutch |
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| Author: | billypootons [ Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Use of "per se" at the Score |
former boss' go to phrase was "jerking my chain" in a very whiny/nasally voice |
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| Author: | man of few opinions [ Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Use of "per se" at the Score |
Someone once pointed out to me that I used the word "cumbersome" a lot and asked if I was a big fan of Seven Mary Three or something. That stopped that, I never use it anymore. |
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| Author: | vitoscotti [ Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Use of "per se" at the Score |
Had a boss who used silly word "irregardless" constantly. He wanted everything told to him succinctly, "Give it to me in a nutshell". |
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| Author: | Tad Queasy [ Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Use of "per se" at the Score |
This reminds me of a Kids in The Hall skit where people complained their coworker used the word "ascertain" too much: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lStcwT_ ... el=MattJ.H. |
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