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Author:  tommy [ Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Kleiss/McClusky/Gallaher/Nimitiz

Nice job on the five-minute ass kicking in the Pacific! Sure, luck was involved, but so were balls of steel. Talk about making the most of your opportunities.

A shoutout also to Ford City Theatre, whose skinny ushers assured us that we'd be able to feel (the film) Midway's bombing scenes in our feet. We could. It was awesome. Them Coke machines that spit out a little ice and then poured the sugar water in a soon-to-be-sweating plastic-coated paper cup were sweet, too. Had to share one with my brothers and sisters, so I only got a swig or two, but that was awesome.

Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Kleiss/McClusky/Gallaher/Nimitiz

Sagman, Bennett, Robbins, Oppenheim, and Taft!

Author:  Ogie Oglethorpe [ Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Kleiss/McClusky/Gallaher/Nimitiz

tommy wrote:
Nice job on the five-minute ass kicking in the Pacific! Sure, luck was involved, but so were balls of steel. Talk about making the most of your opportunities.

A shoutout also to Ford City Theatre, whose skinny ushers assured us that we'd be able to feel (the film) Midway's bombing scenes in our feet. We could. It was awesome. Them Coke machines that spit out a little ice and then poured the sugar water in a soon-to-be-sweating plastic-coated paper cup were sweet, too. Had to share one with my brothers and sisters, so I only got a swig or two, but that was awesome.

I always wonder what would've happened if Yamamoto didn't divide his fleet. If he doesn't pursue the Aleutian ruse and send 2 carriers there, he would then have 6 at Midway instead of his 4. It was a diversion that had little strategic value

I also wonder what happens if the Japanese rushed to repair their damaged CV from Coral Sea as the US did with Yorktown. That would've given them 7 in theater. Even with all of the luck and intelligence work that went into the US side on Midway, 7 carriers would've been too much for the American fleet to overcome. Or what if Yorktown couldn't be put back to sea with the band-aid job they had only 72 hours to perform before the battle.

So many ways that battle could've gone differently.

The 72 hours of repairing Yorktown and getting her back to sea after the beating she took at Coral Sea may have been the most important 72 hours a ship has ever spent in drydock.

Here is what they faced:

https://www.defensemedianetwork.com/sto ... coral-sea/

Quote:
A 551-pound armor-piercing bomb had plunged through the flight deck 15 feet inboard of her island and penetrated fifty feet into the ship before exploding above the forward engine room. Six compartments were destroyed, as were the lighting systems on three decks and across 24 frames. The gears controlling the No. 2 elevator were damaged. She had lost her radar and refrigeration system. Near misses by eight bombs had opened seams in her hull from frames 100 to 130 and ruptured the fuel-oil compartments. Rear Adm. Aubrey Fitch, aboard the damaged carrier, estimated that repairing the Yorktown would take ninety days.

Author:  tommy [ Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Kleiss/McClusky/Gallaher/Nimitiz

Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
tommy wrote:
Nice job on the five-minute ass kicking in the Pacific! Sure, luck was involved, but so were balls of steel. Talk about making the most of your opportunities.

A shoutout also to Ford City Theatre, whose skinny ushers assured us that we'd be able to feel (the film) Midway's bombing scenes in our feet. We could. It was awesome. Them Coke machines that spit out a little ice and then poured the sugar water in a soon-to-be-sweating plastic-coated paper cup were sweet, too. Had to share one with my brothers and sisters, so I only got a swig or two, but that was awesome.

I always wonder what would've happened if Yamamoto didn't divide his fleet. If he doesn't pursue the Aleutian ruse and send 2 carriers there, he would then have 6 at Midway instead of his 4. It was a diversion that had little strategic value

I also wonder what happens if the Japanese rushed to repair their damaged CV from Coral Sea as the US did with Yorktown. That would've given them 7 in theater. Even with all of the luck and intelligence work that went into the US side on Midway, 7 carriers would've been too much for the American fleet to overcome. Or what if Yorktown couldn't be put back to sea with the band-aid job they had only 72 hours to perform before the battle.

So many ways that battle could've gone differently.

The 72 hours of repairing Yorktown and getting her back to sea after the beating she took at Coral Sea may have been the most important 72 hours a ship has ever spent in drydock.

Here is what they faced:

https://www.defensemedianetwork.com/sto ... coral-sea/

Quote:
A 551-pound armor-piercing bomb had plunged through the flight deck 15 feet inboard of her island and penetrated fifty feet into the ship before exploding above the forward engine room. Six compartments were destroyed, as were the lighting systems on three decks and across 24 frames. The gears controlling the No. 2 elevator were damaged. She had lost her radar and refrigeration system. Near misses by eight bombs had opened seams in her hull from frames 100 to 130 and ruptured the fuel-oil compartments. Rear Adm. Aubrey Fitch, aboard the damaged carrier, estimated that repairing the Yorktown would take ninety days.

90 days estimated, and she limped out there after three...that's some serious Willis Reed shit right there!! Willis x 14 million.

Also: Yep @ everything else.

Author:  Regular Reader [ Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Kleiss/McClusky/Gallaher/Nimitiz

tommy wrote:
Nice job on the five-minute ass kicking in the Pacific! Sure, luck was involved, but so were balls of steel. Talk about making the most of your opportunities.

A shoutout also to Ford City Theatre, whose skinny ushers assured us that we'd be able to feel (the film) Midway's bombing scenes in our feet. We could. It was awesome. Them Coke machines that spit out a little ice and then poured the sugar water in a soon-to-be-sweating plastic-coated paper cup were sweet, too. Had to share one with my brothers and sisters, so I only got a swig or two, but that was awesome.


Are you sure we aren't related? I have pretty close to the exact same memories of seeing that movie. Except I vaguely remember cheering after the last Japanese carrier bought it.

Author:  Ogie Oglethorpe [ Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Kleiss/McClusky/Gallaher/Nimitiz

New Midway film is coming out in November.

Author:  Regular Reader [ Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Kleiss/McClusky/Gallaher/Nimitiz

Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
New Midway film is coming out in November.


Did the outcome change?

Author:  SomeGuy [ Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Kleiss/McClusky/Gallaher/Nimitiz

Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
tommy wrote:
Nice job on the five-minute ass kicking in the Pacific! Sure, luck was involved, but so were balls of steel. Talk about making the most of your opportunities.

A shoutout also to Ford City Theatre, whose skinny ushers assured us that we'd be able to feel (the film) Midway's bombing scenes in our feet. We could. It was awesome. Them Coke machines that spit out a little ice and then poured the sugar water in a soon-to-be-sweating plastic-coated paper cup were sweet, too. Had to share one with my brothers and sisters, so I only got a swig or two, but that was awesome.

I always wonder what would've happened if Yamamoto didn't divide his fleet. If he doesn't pursue the Aleutian ruse and send 2 carriers there, he would then have 6 at Midway instead of his 4. It was a diversion that had little strategic value

I also wonder what happens if the Japanese rushed to repair their damaged CV from Coral Sea as the US did with Yorktown. That would've given them 7 in theater. Even with all of the luck and intelligence work that went into the US side on Midway, 7 carriers would've been too much for the American fleet to overcome. Or what if Yorktown couldn't be put back to sea with the band-aid job they had only 72 hours to perform before the battle.

So many ways that battle could've gone differently.

The 72 hours of repairing Yorktown and getting her back to sea after the beating she took at Coral Sea may have been the most important 72 hours a ship has ever spent in drydock.

Here is what they faced:

https://www.defensemedianetwork.com/sto ... coral-sea/

Quote:
A 551-pound armor-piercing bomb had plunged through the flight deck 15 feet inboard of her island and penetrated fifty feet into the ship before exploding above the forward engine room. Six compartments were destroyed, as were the lighting systems on three decks and across 24 frames. The gears controlling the No. 2 elevator were damaged. She had lost her radar and refrigeration system. Near misses by eight bombs had opened seams in her hull from frames 100 to 130 and ruptured the fuel-oil compartments. Rear Adm. Aubrey Fitch, aboard the damaged carrier, estimated that repairing the Yorktown would take ninety days.


It's questionable if they even had the capability and resources to do such a thing. And a combined fleet would have led to more Japanese ships at the bottom of the ocean. Ships and material they couldn't replace.

Author:  Ogie Oglethorpe [ Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Kleiss/McClusky/Gallaher/Nimitiz

SomeGuy wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
tommy wrote:
Nice job on the five-minute ass kicking in the Pacific! Sure, luck was involved, but so were balls of steel. Talk about making the most of your opportunities.

A shoutout also to Ford City Theatre, whose skinny ushers assured us that we'd be able to feel (the film) Midway's bombing scenes in our feet. We could. It was awesome. Them Coke machines that spit out a little ice and then poured the sugar water in a soon-to-be-sweating plastic-coated paper cup were sweet, too. Had to share one with my brothers and sisters, so I only got a swig or two, but that was awesome.

I always wonder what would've happened if Yamamoto didn't divide his fleet. If he doesn't pursue the Aleutian ruse and send 2 carriers there, he would then have 6 at Midway instead of his 4. It was a diversion that had little strategic value

I also wonder what happens if the Japanese rushed to repair their damaged CV from Coral Sea as the US did with Yorktown. That would've given them 7 in theater. Even with all of the luck and intelligence work that went into the US side on Midway, 7 carriers would've been too much for the American fleet to overcome. Or what if Yorktown couldn't be put back to sea with the band-aid job they had only 72 hours to perform before the battle.

So many ways that battle could've gone differently.

The 72 hours of repairing Yorktown and getting her back to sea after the beating she took at Coral Sea may have been the most important 72 hours a ship has ever spent in drydock.

Here is what they faced:

https://www.defensemedianetwork.com/sto ... coral-sea/

Quote:
A 551-pound armor-piercing bomb had plunged through the flight deck 15 feet inboard of her island and penetrated fifty feet into the ship before exploding above the forward engine room. Six compartments were destroyed, as were the lighting systems on three decks and across 24 frames. The gears controlling the No. 2 elevator were damaged. She had lost her radar and refrigeration system. Near misses by eight bombs had opened seams in her hull from frames 100 to 130 and ruptured the fuel-oil compartments. Rear Adm. Aubrey Fitch, aboard the damaged carrier, estimated that repairing the Yorktown would take ninety days.


It's questionable if they even had the capability and resources to do such a thing. And a combined fleet would have led to more Japanese ships at the bottom of the ocean. Ships and material they couldn't replace.

if you think 3 carriers taking on 7 would've still led to an American victory, I'd like to have what you're smoking.

Heck, the additional scouting resources of those other carriers probably mean the American carriers get spotted first. Scouting/lack of scouting was everything in that battle.

Author:  SomeGuy [ Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Kleiss/McClusky/Gallaher/Nimitiz

Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
SomeGuy wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
tommy wrote:
Nice job on the five-minute ass kicking in the Pacific! Sure, luck was involved, but so were balls of steel. Talk about making the most of your opportunities.

A shoutout also to Ford City Theatre, whose skinny ushers assured us that we'd be able to feel (the film) Midway's bombing scenes in our feet. We could. It was awesome. Them Coke machines that spit out a little ice and then poured the sugar water in a soon-to-be-sweating plastic-coated paper cup were sweet, too. Had to share one with my brothers and sisters, so I only got a swig or two, but that was awesome.

I always wonder what would've happened if Yamamoto didn't divide his fleet. If he doesn't pursue the Aleutian ruse and send 2 carriers there, he would then have 6 at Midway instead of his 4. It was a diversion that had little strategic value

I also wonder what happens if the Japanese rushed to repair their damaged CV from Coral Sea as the US did with Yorktown. That would've given them 7 in theater. Even with all of the luck and intelligence work that went into the US side on Midway, 7 carriers would've been too much for the American fleet to overcome. Or what if Yorktown couldn't be put back to sea with the band-aid job they had only 72 hours to perform before the battle.

So many ways that battle could've gone differently.

The 72 hours of repairing Yorktown and getting her back to sea after the beating she took at Coral Sea may have been the most important 72 hours a ship has ever spent in drydock.

Here is what they faced:

https://www.defensemedianetwork.com/sto ... coral-sea/

Quote:
A 551-pound armor-piercing bomb had plunged through the flight deck 15 feet inboard of her island and penetrated fifty feet into the ship before exploding above the forward engine room. Six compartments were destroyed, as were the lighting systems on three decks and across 24 frames. The gears controlling the No. 2 elevator were damaged. She had lost her radar and refrigeration system. Near misses by eight bombs had opened seams in her hull from frames 100 to 130 and ruptured the fuel-oil compartments. Rear Adm. Aubrey Fitch, aboard the damaged carrier, estimated that repairing the Yorktown would take ninety days.


It's questionable if they even had the capability and resources to do such a thing. And a combined fleet would have led to more Japanese ships at the bottom of the ocean. Ships and material they couldn't replace.

if you think 3 carriers taking on 7 would've still led to an American victory, I'd like to have what you're smoking.

Heck, the additional scouting resources of those other carriers probably mean the American carriers get spotted first. Scouting/lack of scouting was everything in that battle.


That's fine, the Japanese could have won or pushed at Midway and they still lose the war. They were playing with the clock always counting down. We weren't.

As for scouting, I agree, but we still knew details of the Japanese battle plan in advance and Yamamoto still had to follow Japanese doctrine. Even if they achieve victory they still lose 2 carriers maybe more and those loses, as with any ship, couldn't be replaced.

Author:  tommy [ Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Kleiss/McClusky/Gallaher/Nimitiz

Regular Reader wrote:
tommy wrote:
Nice job on the five-minute ass kicking in the Pacific! Sure, luck was involved, but so were balls of steel. Talk about making the most of your opportunities.

A shoutout also to Ford City Theatre, whose skinny ushers assured us that we'd be able to feel (the film) Midway's bombing scenes in our feet. We could. It was awesome. Them Coke machines that spit out a little ice and then poured the sugar water in a soon-to-be-sweating plastic-coated paper cup were sweet, too. Had to share one with my brothers and sisters, so I only got a swig or two, but that was awesome.


Are you sure we aren't related? I have pretty close to the exact same memories of seeing that movie. Except I vaguely remember cheering after the last Japanese carrier bought it.


We probably are. I think I am related to half the South Side. Or maybe it's just that I've seen every South Sider at Ford City?

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