What Marvel films equal:
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| Author: | Ogie Oglethorpe [ Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Martin Scorsese and Francis Ford Coppola |
They're right in their critique of the Marvel movies. I'm sure of Kubrick were alive, he'd join the chorus. These Marvel films are just predictable formulaic schlock at this point. Where's the suspense if every film guarantees the heroes will win and survive? Plot armor in these films is thicker than a Jedi's vs. a half-dozen stormtroopers. https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/o ... despicable It's funny watching how angry people on Twitter are getting at these two geniuses of film making because they dare speak out against the mouse's crappy films. |
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| Author: | 312player [ Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Martin Scorcese and Francis Ford Coppola |
Yup, garbage that entertains the stupid ass millennials. |
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| Author: | Ogie Oglethorpe [ Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Martin Scorcese and Francis Ford Coppola |
312player wrote: Yup, garbage that entertains the stupid ass millennials. Also garbage with minimal dialogue and nothing too complex because we have to make sure we have easy to read and follow subtitles for the billion people in China who these films are really targeted towards. |
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Martin Scorcese and Francis Ford Coppola |
Their beef should be with the studios who follow Marvel's plan. There's a place for popcorn flicks and a place for serious film. At least there should be. |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Martin Scorcese and Francis Ford Coppola |
312player wrote: Yup, garbage that entertains the stupid ass millennials. Absolutely correct . I’m sure in Avengers 35 they’ll face some real danger though . |
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| Author: | Ogie Oglethorpe [ Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Martin Scorsese and Francis Ford Coppola |
What Marvel films equal:
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| Author: | pittmike [ Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Martin Scorsese and Francis Ford Coppola |
I would say the legendary directors are right. It is just that the Marvel movies are fine but seem to be destined to be considered l9ike comedies. Not worthy of artistic consideration and awards. |
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| Author: | MajorKong [ Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Martin Scorsese and Francis Ford Coppola |
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote: What Marvel films equal: |
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| Author: | Brick [ Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Martin Scorsese and Francis Ford Coppola |
I'm not a comic book guy but I love all the Avengers movies. I get they aren't for anyone but they are by far the most entertaining movies made these days. However, I don't think they are really a good target for these attacks. They don't hide what they are. They know that it's not going to be a critical success when you have as much cgi as they do. The problem is that other movies are terrible. The list of best movies from the 2010s are laughably bad. Even some of the ones that are at least pretty good are heavily cgi based. Mad Max(bad) and Inception(good) almost always make those lists too. So, the problem isn't that the Avengers movies aren't "cinema" but it's that "cinema" is mostly dead. So yeah, I'll happily watch a Thor movie over a bunch of people frowning at each other for 2 hours, or two people singing about Los Angeles, or a tiger on a boat. Now, those two won't say that because it would also lead to the question as to why they haven't been able to make a great movie lately either. |
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| Author: | Nardi [ Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Martin Scorsese and Francis Ford Coppola |
I've gone from a dozen movies a year back in the day to 1-2 a year now. It's almost November and the only movie I've seen is Once Upon A Time. |
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| Author: | JORR [ Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Martin Scorcese and Francis Ford Coppola |
Terry's Peeps wrote: There's a place for popcorn flicks and a place for serious film. That's why Tarantino is so great. He combines the two. |
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| Author: | GoldenJet [ Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Martin Scorsese and Francis Ford Coppola |
They're similar to the old serial shorts from the 40s and 50s...the hero survives a close call to fight again next week. Spielberg gets that. Did Martin and Francis bitch about Indiana Jones? |
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| Author: | Nardi [ Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:53 am ] |
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GoldenJet wrote: They're similar to the old serial shorts from the 40s and 50s...the hero survives a close call to fight again next week. Spielberg gets that. Did Martin and Francis patriot about Indiana Jones? A bit of apples and oranges. Jones and Bond do things that are limited to human resources. |
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| Author: | denisdman [ Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:54 am ] |
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Like BR, I am not a comic guy. In the entire superhero genre, I really only like the Dark Knight (serious edge) and Guardians of the Galaxy (surprisingly funny). You’d have to go back to the Superman 2 to find anything I wish to watch again. If you just like action movies with weak plots, then the genre is fine. If you’re a fan boy, then have at it. There is a place for these things. |
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| Author: | Nardi [ Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Martin Scorsese and Francis Ford Coppola |
The rub isn't hero. The rub is "super" hero. It's almost to the point that in that world, there's more people with extraordinary powers than there are regular people. It loses the effect |
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| Author: | Pres-Elect FukNuggitt [ Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:58 am ] |
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I may have been a better man before I succumbed to the Superhero Genre. I was all over all of the Dark Knight Movies., but only maybe a few years ago did I start watching the Marvel offerings, and, now that I think of it, the new Star Wars entries probably helped draw me in. I am glad I resisted the "Saw" franchise and all of the unnecessary horror films of the past decade and a half, though (although I did cave for Hostel 1 and 2). A Tarantino/Scorsese/Coppola, etc. Movie sure does stand out, though, thank goodness. |
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| Author: | GoldenJet [ Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Martin Scorsese and Francis Ford Coppola |
Nardi wrote: GoldenJet wrote: They're similar to the old serial shorts from the 40s and 50s...the hero survives a close call to fight again next week. Spielberg gets that. Did Martin and Francis patriot about Indiana Jones? A bit of apples and oranges. Jones and Bond do things that are limited to human resources. More like Fuji vs Gala. Many of the comic book movies follow established classic story lines from the print comics. This is one of the reasons the Fox X-Men movies suck so bad. They made up their own shitty storylines. Stand-alone movies can be great too...see WATCHMEN and ROGUE ONE. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Martin Scorsese and Francis Ford Coppola |
I do think there is a little jealousy here though. The Wolf of Wall Street was a pretty good movie. The Departed was a great but flawed movie. I hated Gangs Of New York but others liked it. Shutter Island was a good but forgettable movie. That's basically the last 20 years of Scorsese movies worth anything. His last movie made in 2016 cost $40-$50 million to make an made about half that at the box office. Hugo basically broke even. The Marvel movies do likely push out other films because of how popular they are. Coppola may as well have been retired since the early 90s besides being an executive producer on Jeepers Creepers 1 and 2. |
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| Author: | MajorKong [ Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:26 am ] |
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Some people think Jaws killed cinema, but I disagree. You can make great movies that are also broad entertainment. The problem is that they have become too broad. There is only so much overlap between American and Chinese culture, so they don't really resonate. This is a big reason why you don't see good comedies anymore. Humor varies wildly depending on cultural context, but everyone laughs at fart jokes so you get Queef: The Movie starring Melissa McCarthy. Scorsese's original point is well taken though, mainstream cinema has became little more than a spectacular product. |
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| Author: | GoldenJet [ Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:51 am ] |
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Thank Jerry Bruckheimer for that. |
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| Author: | Jaw Breaker [ Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:01 am ] |
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That's why I think Infinity War was such a good movie (within its genre/universe), as there were consequences and a weight to it that End Game and the other movies lack. It's one of the reasons why Star Trek: the Wrath of Kahn is revered. |
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| Author: | denisdman [ Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Martin Scorsese and Francis Ford Coppola |
Jaw Breaker wrote: That's why I think Infinity War was such a good movie (within its genre/universe), as there were consequences and a weight to it that End Game and the other movies lack. It's one of the reasons why Star Trek: the Wrath of Kahn is revered. Forgive me if I get this wrong as a non-fan who only saw these movies once. But didn’t End Game bend time to undo the way Infinity War ended, thus ruining the entire impact of Infinity War. And I agree, on its own Infinity War was solid for the reasons you noted. But subsequently ruined for me. |
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| Author: | Ogie Oglethorpe [ Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Martin Scorsese and Francis Ford Coppola |
denisdman wrote: Jaw Breaker wrote: That's why I think Infinity War was such a good movie (within its genre/universe), as there were consequences and a weight to it that End Game and the other movies lack. It's one of the reasons why Star Trek: the Wrath of Kahn is revered. Forgive me if I get this wrong as a non-fan who only saw these movies once. But didn’t End Game bend time to undo the way Infinity War ended, thus ruining the entire impact of Infinity War. And I agree, on its own Infinity War was solid for the reasons you noted. But subsequently ruined for me. To be fair, The Search for Spock did the same thing, but then again they had to sacrifice NCC-1701 to do it.  Damn the stealth trilogy of Star Trek II, III, and IV is awesome |
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| Author: | Ogie Oglethorpe [ Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Martin Scorsese and Francis Ford Coppola |
Fucking Bob Iger in his defense of the Marvel films tries to argue Black Panther is better than anything they have ever done...  Um yeah that comic book movie is totally better than The Godfather |
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| Author: | Brick [ Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Martin Scorsese and Francis Ford Coppola |
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote: Fucking Bob Iger in his defense of the Marvel films tries to argue Black Panther is better than anything they have ever done... Um yeah that comic book movie is totally better than The Godfather He probably should have said "since 2000". |
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| Author: | Ogie Oglethorpe [ Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Martin Scorsese and Francis Ford Coppola |
Boilermaker Rick wrote: Ogie Oglethorpe wrote: Fucking Bob Iger in his defense of the Marvel films tries to argue Black Panther is better than anything they have ever done... Um yeah that comic book movie is totally better than The Godfather He probably should have said "since 2000". For Coppola sure, but that's because he's essentially retired. I'll put Scorsese's work the last 20 years above those amusement park rides Disney calls movies though. The Aviator (2004) The Departed (2006) The Wolf of Wall Street (2013) 3 fantastic films right there |
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| Author: | Brick [ Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Martin Scorsese and Francis Ford Coppola |
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: Ogie Oglethorpe wrote: Fucking Bob Iger in his defense of the Marvel films tries to argue Black Panther is better than anything they have ever done... Um yeah that comic book movie is totally better than The Godfather He probably should have said "since 2000". For Coppola sure, but that's because he's essentially retired. I'll put Scorsese's work the last 20 years above those amusement park rides Disney calls movies though. The Aviator (2004) The Departed (2006) The Wolf of Wall Street (2013) 3 fantastic films right thereThe Departed would be the only one I would put above it but The Departed was a deeply flawed movie that was saved by the massive star power they assembled. The Wolf Of Wall Street was an enjoyable forgettable movie and The Aviator was bad. |
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| Author: | Telegram Sam [ Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Martin Scorsese and Francis Ford Coppola |
This is Frank Sinatra saying Rock and Roll is not music. |
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| Author: | Ogie Oglethorpe [ Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Martin Scorsese and Francis Ford Coppola |
Boilermaker Rick wrote: Ogie Oglethorpe wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: Ogie Oglethorpe wrote: Fucking Bob Iger in his defense of the Marvel films tries to argue Black Panther is better than anything they have ever done... Um yeah that comic book movie is totally better than The Godfather He probably should have said "since 2000". For Coppola sure, but that's because he's essentially retired. I'll put Scorsese's work the last 20 years above those amusement park rides Disney calls movies though. The Aviator (2004) The Departed (2006) The Wolf of Wall Street (2013) 3 fantastic films right there The Wolf Of Wall Street was an enjoyable forgettable movie and The Aviator was bad. I'll just have to disagree with you on that one |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:38 pm ] |
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Telegram Sam wrote: This is Frank Sinatra saying Rock and Roll is not music. Is it though? Rock and roll is good, comic book movies are movies for kids. |
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