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Author:  veganfan21 [ Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:52 am ]
Post subject:  Cordarrelle Patterson and Allen Robinson
Openly recruiting QBs to join the Bears. Patterson is more explicit. Best thing I've seen in a long time from the offense.
Author:  pittmike [ Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:55 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Cordarrelle Patterson and Allen Robinson
:lol:
Author:  Antarctica [ Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:56 am ]
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This is not going to go over well with Nagy and Pace, both of whom are probably feeling the heat on this a little too much to laugh it off. I say fuck em, bring in Jameis.
Author:  Peoria Matt [ Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:59 am ]
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I must be missing it. I checked both their pages and didn't really see anything.
Author:  Antarctica [ Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:04 am ]
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Peoria Matt wrote:
I must be missing it. I checked both their pages and didn't really see anything.

Patterson was begging Bridgewater to come.
Author:  veganfan21 [ Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:59 am ]
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And here's Robinson:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/clutchpoin ... ewton/amp/
Author:  Brick [ Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:11 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Cordarrelle Patterson and Allen Robinson
No matter what you think of (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky this isn't a good thing.
Author:  Nas [ Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:22 am ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
No matter what you think of (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky this isn't a good thing.


Yeah, I saw the stuff from Patterson last night but I think what Robinson did was worse.
Author:  conns7901 [ Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:24 am ]
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Patterson isn't exactly in a position to be clamoring for a QB.
Author:  Antarctica [ Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:26 am ]
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Allen Robinson was probably one of the ten best wide receivers in the NFL last year yet he only had eleven-hundred yards and seven touchdowns. Now its a contract year and he's at the peak of his powers. The guy wants to succeed, I cannot blame him.
Author:  veganfan21 [ Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:27 am ]
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Nas wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
No matter what you think of (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky this isn't a good thing.


Yeah, I saw the stuff from Patterson last night but I think what Robinson did was worse.


I think what (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky did to rob the city of a playoff appearance is the worst thing of all.
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:35 am ]
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Nas wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
No matter what you think of (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky this isn't a good thing.


Yeah, I saw the stuff from Patterson last night but I think what Robinson did was worse.
Yeah. Godforbid offensive players want to win.
Author:  Brick [ Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:36 am ]
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veganfan21 wrote:
Nas wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
No matter what you think of (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky this isn't a good thing.


Yeah, I saw the stuff from Patterson last night but I think what Robinson did was worse.


I think what (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky did to rob the city of a playoff appearance is the worst thing of all.
Nagy did far more to cost the Bears the playoffs than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky did.
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:39 am ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Nagy did far more to cost the Bears the playoffs than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky did.
Not true. I've outlined this at least twice before.

Nagy did not have a good season at all. Better QB play could have over come his shortcomings and lead to at least two more wins, thus at least one playoff game. For all of the Bears faults last season, if the QB play was better they go 10-6 and make the playoffs. That cannot be argued against.
Author:  Nas [ Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:39 am ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Nas wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
No matter what you think of (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky this isn't a good thing.


Yeah, I saw the stuff from Patterson last night but I think what Robinson did was worse.
Yeah. Godforbid offensive players want to win.


Wanting to win is different from publicly recruiting guys for your teammates job. Plus, wanting the GOAT or Cam is FAR different from believing that Bridgewater is the answer. I also want Cam or Brady.
Author:  veganfan21 [ Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:44 am ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:
Nas wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
No matter what you think of (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky this isn't a good thing.


Yeah, I saw the stuff from Patterson last night but I think what Robinson did was worse.


I think what (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky did to rob the city of a playoff appearance is the worst thing of all.
Nagy did far more to cost the Bears the playoffs than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky did.


Nagy isn't responsible for failing to find your reads and hit people in stride.
Author:  Nas [ Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:46 am ]
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veganfan21 wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:
Nas wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
No matter what you think of (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky this isn't a good thing.


Yeah, I saw the stuff from Patterson last night but I think what Robinson did was worse.


I think what (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky did to rob the city of a playoff appearance is the worst thing of all.
Nagy did far more to cost the Bears the playoffs than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky did.


Nagy isn't responsible for failing to find your reads and hit people in stride.


What about the 1200 screen passes that gained a combined 2 yards?
Author:  Brick [ Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:49 am ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Nagy did far more to cost the Bears the playoffs than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky did.
Not true. I've outlined this at least twice before.

Nagy did not have a good season at all. Better QB play could have over come his shortcomings and lead to at least two more wins, thus at least one playoff game. For all of the Bears faults last season, if the QB play was better they go 10-6 and make the playoffs. That cannot be argued against.

Nagy lost them two games himself, one of which (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky didn't even play in, and the other when (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky had set them up for a fairly easy game winning field goal if you don't make it much harder by running out the clock unnecessarily. That's 10-6 instead of 8-8.
Author:  veganfan21 [ Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:49 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Cordarrelle Patterson and Allen Robinson
Nas wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:
Nas wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
No matter what you think of (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky this isn't a good thing.


Yeah, I saw the stuff from Patterson last night but I think what Robinson did was worse.


I think what (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky did to rob the city of a playoff appearance is the worst thing of all.
Nagy did far more to cost the Bears the playoffs than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky did.


Nagy isn't responsible for failing to find your reads and hit people in stride.


What about the 1200 screen passes that gained a combined 2 yards?


You install plays that you're confident your QB can make. To Mitch's credit, Nagy totally entrusted him with passes that traveled less than 1 yard in the air.
Author:  Brick [ Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:51 am ]
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veganfan21 wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:
Nas wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
No matter what you think of (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky this isn't a good thing.


Yeah, I saw the stuff from Patterson last night but I think what Robinson did was worse.


I think what (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky did to rob the city of a playoff appearance is the worst thing of all.
Nagy did far more to cost the Bears the playoffs than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky did.


Nagy isn't responsible for failing to find your reads and hit people in stride.
How about preparing your team to show up in London, and how about improving the odds greatly on a game winning field goal when your quarterback who can't read and hit people in stride sets you up. How about actually using the running ability of (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky to actually run outside of one game?
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:52 am ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Nagy did far more to cost the Bears the playoffs than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky did.
Not true. I've outlined this at least twice before.

Nagy did not have a good season at all. Better QB play could have over come his shortcomings and lead to at least two more wins, thus at least one playoff game. For all of the Bears faults last season, if the QB play was better they go 10-6 and make the playoffs. That cannot be argued against.

Nagy lost them two games himself, one of which (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky didn't even play in, and the other when (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky had set them up for a fairly easy game winning field goal if you don't make it much harder by running out the clock unnecessarily. That's 10-6 instead of 8-8.
I said better QB play, I didn't specify Mitch. Better QB play from Daniel could have overcome the mistakes made in London against the Raiders.

Poor QB play cost the Bears the playoffs. It was THE single biggest factor in the Bears being 8-8 as opposed to 10-6. There is not an argument that can be made otherwise, though I'm sure you will try.

(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky had them set up for a game winning field goal? :lol: :lol:
(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky put the team in the position to lose because of HIS turnovers in the 4th quarter. If Mitch protects the football against the Chargers-- better QB play-- Bears win. Simple stuff here.
Author:  veganfan21 [ Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:54 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Cordarrelle Patterson and Allen Robinson
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:
Nas wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
No matter what you think of (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky this isn't a good thing.


Yeah, I saw the stuff from Patterson last night but I think what Robinson did was worse.


I think what (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky did to rob the city of a playoff appearance is the worst thing of all.
Nagy did far more to cost the Bears the playoffs than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky did.


Nagy isn't responsible for failing to find your reads and hit people in stride.
How about preparing your team to show up in London, and how about improving the odds greatly on a game winning field goal when your quarterback who can't read and hit people in stride sets you up. How about actually using the running ability of (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky to actually run outside of one game?


I don't absolve Nagy of anything. However by the eye test and every measurable metric known to man (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky had a piss poor season. The man was either out played by or matched by the likes of Kyle Allen and the dude in Pittsburgh. There are other no names who outplayed him this year. This is the guy you're defending. Someone who failed to outplay an undrafted backup in Carolina.
Author:  Antarctica [ Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:56 am ]
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Mitch and Nagy both suck. Mitch can get better though, he showed big improvement the last half of the season.

Nagy has had the same offensive gameplan for two straight seasons. Every game. It doesn't change, even a little bit. If he was going to change he would've done so by now.
Author:  WaitingforRuffcorn [ Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:00 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
No matter what you think of (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky this isn't a good thing.


Yeah it shows disfunction on the team. The best scenario is still Mitch figuring things out.
Author:  Brick [ Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:00 pm ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
I said better QB play, I didn't specify Mitch. Better QB play from Daniel could have overcome the mistakes made in London against the Raiders.
The whole team no showed in London until the end. If you can't blame the coach on that then you can't blame him for anything. Did

Frank Coztansa wrote:
Poor QB play cost the Bears the playoffs. It was THE single biggest factor in the Bears being 8-8 as opposed to 10-6. There is not an argument that can be made otherwise, though I'm sure you will try.
So does (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky get the same credit for the year before?

Frank Coztansa wrote:
(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky had them set up for a game winning field goal? :lol: :lol:
(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky put the team in the position to lose because of HIS turnovers in the 4th quarter. If Mitch protects the football against the Chargers-- better QB play-- Bears win. Simple stuff here.
You seem to be going under the "QB play is all that matters" line of thinking, which is fine, but then the 12-4 season falls on him too. What was the biggest difference between the two seasons? (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky didn't get to run outside of one game.
Author:  veganfan21 [ Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:00 pm ]
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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
No matter what you think of (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky this isn't a good thing.


Yeah it shows disfunction on the team. The best scenario is still Mitch figuring things out.


Tell that to the defense who is ready to win now.
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:19 pm ]
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Brick, you're being obtuse and ridiculous. I guess nothing has changed in that regard. You are also making MANY assumptions and putting words into my mouth. Again, what you do second best behind only Seacrest. So lets clear up some of this bullshit right now;

-I did not absolve blame from Nagy for the Raiders game. I said that better QB play would have overcome the coaches mistakes.

-I'm not talking about 2018, but since you brought it up twice, Mitch wasn't all that good the last few games of that season. The Eagles game included.

-I NEVER said that QB play is all that matters. I said poor QB play is the single biggest reason the Bears were 8-8 instead of 10-6 last season.



So, in talking about the 2019 season ONLY;

Games where better QB play absolutely results in a win; Packers, Chargers
Games where better QB play likely results in a win; @Raiders,
Games where better QB play may have resulted in a win; @Eagles, @Rams, @Packers

So there you go. Six games, five of which Mitch started where poor QB play was the primary reason for the loss.
Author:  Jaw Breaker [ Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:23 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
What was the biggest difference between the two seasons?


1. Harder strength of schedule
2. Lack of turnovers
3. Injury to Hicks
Author:  Brick [ Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:31 pm ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Brick, you're being obtuse and ridiculous. I guess nothing has changed in that regard. You are also making MANY assumptions and putting words into my mouth. Again, what you do second best behind only Seacrest. So lets clear up some of this bullshit right now;

-I did not absolve blame from Nagy for the Raiders game. I said that better QB play would have overcome the coaches mistakes.
That's pretty strange logic though especially when one of the primary failings of Nagy last year was not using him as a runner besides one game. I get that QB play can overcome bad coaching but that's a pretty strange thing to hold against a player.
Frank Coztansa wrote:
-I'm not talking about 2018, but since you brought it up twice, Mitch wasn't all that good the last few games of that season. The Eagles game included.
The Bears were 12-4. You keep on talking about the 7-7(not counting the game he got injured) record of (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. If anything, 2018 shows the flaw in blaming (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky for not winning enough games.

Frank Coztansa wrote:
So, in talking about the 2019 season ONLY;

Games where better QB play absolutely results in a win; Packers, Chargers
Games where better QB play likely results in a win; @Raiders,
Games where better QB play may have resulted in a win; @Eagles, @Rams, @Packers

So there you go. Six games, five of which Mitch started where poor QB play was the primary reason for the loss.
Wouldn't the same logic apply for Nagy? The Raiders and Chargers games are both more on Nagy than they are on qb play. The Packers games were strange in that quarterback play was pretty poor on both sides.
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:49 pm ]
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Stop talking about 2018.

Better QB play overcomes Nagy's shortcomings. Overcomes injuries. Overcomes poor Oline play. Overcomes Piniero's missed kicks. Overcomes everything.

You keep bringing up Nagy and the Chargers game. I never said Nagy had a good week that week. I did say that better QB play turns that game into a win. Despite ALL of Nagy's mistakes in that game, if Mitch simply protected the football in the fourth quarter and didn't turn the ball over, the Bears win and Pineiro is a non-factor.

Poor quarterback play is the single biggest reason the 2019 Bears missed the playoffs. You have not refuted that yet, because its impossible do to do.
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