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Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Thu May 21, 2020 6:44 am ] |
Post subject: | Ben Smith and Matt Lauer take down #mettoo |
It's a good first step but there are finally some push back to blindly believing any story told by a woman years after the fact. Also, Ronan Farrow isn't a journalist. He's a glorified gossip columnist who was angry his show never took off at MSNBC. Lauer: https://www.mediaite.com/opinion/matt-l ... o-be-true/ Quote: There are four primary ways in which Ronan betrayed the truth in writing his book. 1. He consistently failed to confirm stories told to him by his main sources. 2. He failed to provide evidence of important communications he alleges took place between accusers and me. In most cases, Ronan doesn’t even claim to have personally seen evidence of those communications. 3. He used misleading language to manipulate readers into believing things that could easily be false, or were at least un-provable. In some cases he undeniably withheld information from the reader that would call the credibility of sources into question. 4. He routinely presented stories in a way that would suit his activist goals, as opposed to any kind of journalistic standards. Smith: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/17/busi ... arrow.html |
Author: | SpiralStairs [ Thu May 21, 2020 6:58 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ben Smith and Matt Lauer take down #mettoo |
Joe Biden brought down #metoo. |
Author: | Brick [ Thu May 21, 2020 6:59 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ben Smith and Matt Lauer take down #mettoo |
At least Matt Lauer wasn't trespassing on a construction site. |
Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Thu May 21, 2020 7:02 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ben Smith and Matt Lauer take down #mettoo |
Boilermaker Rick wrote: At least Matt Lauer wasn't trespassing on a construction site. Talk about an honest conversation. |
Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Thu May 21, 2020 7:03 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ben Smith and Matt Lauer take down #mettoo |
SpiralStairs wrote: Joe Biden brought down #metoo. It was time for careful consideration when it came to Joe Biden. |
Author: | Brick [ Thu May 21, 2020 7:10 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ben Smith and Matt Lauer take down #mettoo |
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: At least Matt Lauer wasn't trespassing on a construction site. Talk about an honest conversation. |
Author: | Nardi [ Thu May 21, 2020 7:14 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ben Smith and Matt Lauer take down #mettoo |
I'll cut to the chase. I'll get to the point. |
Author: | Brick [ Thu May 21, 2020 7:14 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ben Smith and Matt Lauer take down #mettoo |
Nardi wrote: I'll cut to the chase. I'll get to the point. |
Author: | Ugueth Will Shiv You [ Thu May 21, 2020 7:16 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ben Smith and Matt Lauer take down #mettoo |
Boilermaker Rick wrote: Why should we give benefit of the doubt to people like Matt Lauer when you weren't willing to do so in the case of Ahmaud Abery? |
Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Thu May 21, 2020 7:27 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ben Smith and Matt Lauer take down #mettoo |
Boilermaker Rick wrote: WaitingforRuffcorn wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: At least Matt Lauer wasn't trespassing on a construction site. Talk about an honest conversation. This has nothing to do with "the benefit of the doubt". This is you being a dishonest troll. As Frank put it, B Mac without the swears. These two cases have nothing to do with each other at all. If you want to call me names just be honest about it instead of this strange attempt relate these two things. The Me Too movement was based on a lot of lies and after the fact reconsiderations. Believe all women or accusers is a religious order like edict to weed out heretics. |
Author: | SpiralStairs [ Thu May 21, 2020 7:36 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ben Smith and Matt Lauer take down #mettoo |
I wonder why Lauer hasn't sued Farrow??? |
Author: | Brick [ Thu May 21, 2020 7:41 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ben Smith and Matt Lauer take down #mettoo |
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote: This has nothing to do with "the benefit of the doubt". This is you being a dishonest troll. As Frank put it, B Mac without the swears. These two cases have nothing to do with each other at all. If you want to call me names just be honest about it instead of this strange attempt relate these two things. The whole point is that you were certain that Arbery was up to no good. He was causing trouble in the neighborhood. He even had one little fight and the two rednecks got scared.I have no reason to call you names. I want to know why you didn't give Arbery the same benefit of the doubt you seem to be giving Lauer? |
Author: | Douchebag [ Thu May 21, 2020 7:44 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ben Smith and Matt Lauer take down #mettoo |
Did the accuser buy Matt Lauer alcohol? |
Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Thu May 21, 2020 8:12 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ben Smith and Matt Lauer take down #mettoo |
SpiralStairs wrote: Joe Biden brought down #metoo. Chris Hardwick brought down #MeToo. |
Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Thu May 21, 2020 8:14 am ] |
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Douchebag wrote: Did the accuser buy Matt Lauer alcohol? Been a while since this one played. Well done.
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Author: | Don Tiny [ Thu May 21, 2020 8:15 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ben Smith and Matt Lauer take down #mettoo |
Douchebag wrote: Did the accuser buy Matt Lauer alcohol? What kind is Matt Lauer alochol? |
Author: | JORR [ Thu May 21, 2020 8:25 am ] |
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SpiralStairs wrote: I wonder why Lauer hasn't sued Farrow??? Probably because the fact that Farrow does not practice good journalistic standards does not mean that Lauer isn't a creep. |
Author: | FavreFan [ Thu May 21, 2020 8:26 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ben Smith and Matt Lauer take down #mettoo |
lol @ giving Matt Lauer credibility in this matter. Nice work WFR. Can't say I'm surprised though. |
Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Thu May 21, 2020 8:30 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ben Smith and Matt Lauer take down #mettoo |
FavreFan wrote: lol @ giving Matt Lauer credibility in this matter. Nice work WFR. Can't say I'm surprised though. Wow. What a brutal take down. |
Author: | blackhawksfan [ Thu May 21, 2020 8:32 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ben Smith and Matt Lauer take down #mettoo |
Metoo was fine until it effected the guy running against Trump. I'm glad it's happening but what a crock of shit people are. |
Author: | tommy [ Thu May 21, 2020 8:35 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ben Smith and Matt Lauer take down #mettoo |
Boilermaker Rick wrote: WaitingforRuffcorn wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: At least Matt Lauer wasn't trespassing on a construction site. Talk about an honest conversation. Jesus, BRick. That was one hell of a question. I need to tattoo this into my eyelids in order to prevent me from making wild generalizations or coming to any conclusions that are frankly -ist in some way. Now, if I can just remind myself to do so... This isn't a shot against Ruffie. That's just a good question. Hello new teaching anecdote... |
Author: | pittmike [ Thu May 21, 2020 8:36 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ben Smith and Matt Lauer take down #mettoo |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: SpiralStairs wrote: I wonder why Lauer hasn't sued Farrow??? Probably because the fact that Farrow does not practice good journalistic standards does not mean that Lauer isn't a creep. I am going to say his wife divorcing him is all we need to know. |
Author: | SpiralStairs [ Thu May 21, 2020 8:37 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ben Smith and Matt Lauer take down #mettoo |
WfR expectation when starting thread: Reality: |
Author: | badrogue17 [ Thu May 21, 2020 8:40 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ben Smith and Matt Lauer take down #mettoo |
FavreFan wrote: lol @ giving Matt Lauer credibility in this matter. Nice work WFR. Can't say I'm surprised though. Do you think these women had non consensual sex with Lauer ? |
Author: | SpiralStairs [ Thu May 21, 2020 8:44 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ben Smith and Matt Lauer take down #mettoo |
badrogue17 wrote: FavreFan wrote: lol @ giving Matt Lauer credibility in this matter. Nice work WFR. Can't say I'm surprised though. Do you think these women had non consensual sex with Lauer ? They raped Lauer? Weird that he never mentioned that. |
Author: | B Mac [ Thu May 21, 2020 8:48 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ben Smith and Matt Lauer take down #mettoo |
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: WaitingforRuffcorn wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: At least Matt Lauer wasn't trespassing on a construction site. Talk about an honest conversation. This has nothing to do with "the benefit of the doubt". This is you being a dishonest troll. As Frank put it, B Mac without the swears. These two cases have nothing to do with each other at all. If you want to call me names just be honest about it instead of this strange attempt relate these two things. The Me Too movement was based on a lot of lies and after the fact reconsiderations. Believe all women or accusers is a religious order like edict to weed out heretics. They don't call him WhattaFuckinRacist for nothin'. |
Author: | FavreFan [ Thu May 21, 2020 8:54 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ben Smith and Matt Lauer take down #mettoo |
badrogue17 wrote: FavreFan wrote: lol @ giving Matt Lauer credibility in this matter. Nice work WFR. Can't say I'm surprised though. Do you think these women had non consensual sex with Lauer ? I tend to believe a guy that would lock women in a room with him would rape them. At the very least I believe it destroys any credibility that man has to speak on this topic. |
Author: | Brick [ Thu May 21, 2020 8:55 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ben Smith and Matt Lauer take down #mettoo |
FavreFan wrote: badrogue17 wrote: FavreFan wrote: lol @ giving Matt Lauer credibility in this matter. Nice work WFR. Can't say I'm surprised though. Do you think these women had non consensual sex with Lauer ? I tend to believe a guy that would lock women in a room with him would rape them. At the very least I believe it destroys any credibility that man has to speak on this topic. What if I told you the woman was wearing Timberlands? |
Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Thu May 21, 2020 8:59 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ben Smith and Matt Lauer take down #mettoo |
Boilermaker Rick wrote: WaitingforRuffcorn wrote: This has nothing to do with "the benefit of the doubt". This is you being a dishonest troll. As Frank put it, B Mac without the swears. These two cases have nothing to do with each other at all. If you want to call me names just be honest about it instead of this strange attempt relate these two things. The whole point is that you were certain that Arbery was up to no good. He was causing trouble in the neighborhood. He even had one little fight and the two rednecks got scared.I have no reason to call you names. I want to know why you didn't give Arbery the same benefit of the doubt you seem to be giving Lauer? Shakes had the same reaction to the Arbery case as I did. I anticipate you stalking him around here, and bringing this up in every non-related thread with him as well. This thread is about poor journalistic standards. Few things were verified. The stories in the Lauer story do not make sense. If someone raped you in a hotel room would you continue to have an affair with them, and only report it years after the fact when the affair ended? That doesn't seem logical. It seems that Lauer had an affair, ghosted the woman, and she was bitter. Farrow reported that it was a rape, and took her word without following up with her friends or colleagues. Jorr agrees with this. So rational people can see that. As for the benefit of the doubt. It's not benefit of the doubt. It's looking at sets of facts and drawing the most reasonable conclusion rather than this story fits with my world view so i choose to believe it. |
Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Thu May 21, 2020 9:01 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ben Smith and Matt Lauer take down #mettoo |
FavreFan wrote: badrogue17 wrote: FavreFan wrote: lol @ giving Matt Lauer credibility in this matter. Nice work WFR. Can't say I'm surprised though. Do you think these women had non consensual sex with Lauer ? I tend to believe a guy that would lock women in a room with him would rape them. At the very least I believe it destroys any credibility that man has to speak on this topic. Everyone had locks on their rooms at NBC. It was not exclusive to Lauer. It was so that if journalists talking to sources and the line of discussion became confidential they would not be interrupted. So we can eliminate that piece of "evidence". |
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