There should be no objection then to removing all these statues and putting them in a museum.
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| Author: | Ogie Oglethorpe [ Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Ulysses S. Grant |
Time to give him a shoutout before Chicago's worthless dyke mayor cancels him Great to see she has her eye on what's important https://chicago.suntimes.com/city-hall/ ... s-protests |
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| Author: | This Ends in Antioch [ Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ulysses S. Grant |
Don’t like it |
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| Author: | JORR [ Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ulysses S. Grant |
Leave his statue alone. But if you want to replace someone on currency, why not put Harriet Tubman on the fifty dollar bill? I will not accept nor carry a fifty. Fifties are frogs. They are bad luck. Grant died broke. Why the fuck would I want him in my pocket? |
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| Author: | Urlacher's missing neck [ Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ulysses S. Grant |
Take them all down so we can get the Floyd statues up already. |
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| Author: | Yossarian. [ Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ulysses S. Grant |
I'm curious if anyone's life has gotten measurably better by the removal of a statue? |
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| Author: | Tall Midget [ Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:10 am ] |
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Yossarian. wrote: I'm curious if anyone's life has gotten measurably better by the removal of a statue? Has anyone's life gotten measurably better by the presence of a statue? |
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| Author: | W_Z [ Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ulysses S. Grant |
he appointed the first native american commissioner of indian affairs (believing there were no superior or inferior "races"), and was a huge part of the reconstruction era to better the lives of blacks. what microaggression is he now being punished for? that he didn't gas everyone in the confederacy and set up concentration camps for survivors? |
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| Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:36 am ] |
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Tall Midget wrote: Yossarian. wrote: I'm curious if anyone's life has gotten measurably better by the removal of a statue? Has anyone's life gotten measurably better by the presence of a statue? Is this a serious observation? How many museums, tourist destinations and other places created have created livelihoods for millions of people throughout history? And this is before the philosophical question of what is really valuable in life. If works of art are meaningless and don't create "value" then I guess justifications for civilization ring empty to many. |
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| Author: | SpiralStairs [ Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ulysses S. Grant |
There should be no objection then to removing all these statues and putting them in a museum.
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| Author: | JORR [ Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:41 am ] |
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Tall Midget wrote: Yossarian. wrote: I'm curious if anyone's life has gotten measurably better by the removal of a statue? Has anyone's life gotten measurably better by the presence of a statue? Obviously. That's why they are created. We used to call that "humanity". But your point isn't really about art or statues generally, is it? The argument is about who the statues are going to be of. |
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| Author: | JORR [ Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ulysses S. Grant |
SpiralStairs wrote: There should be no objection then to removing all these statues and putting them in a museum. Agree 100%. Also, the admission price of the museum should be raised to enable such. Art is for rich people. Put it behind walls where it belongs. |
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| Author: | SpiralStairs [ Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:46 am ] |
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: SpiralStairs wrote: There should be no objection then to removing all these statues and putting them in a museum. Agree 100%. Also, the admission price of the museum should be raised to enable such. Art is for rich people. Put it behind walls where it belongs. It can be free |
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| Author: | Brick [ Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:47 am ] |
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SpiralStairs wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: SpiralStairs wrote: There should be no objection then to removing all these statues and putting them in a museum. Agree 100%. Also, the admission price of the museum should be raised to enable such. Art is for rich people. Put it behind walls where it belongs. It can be free |
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| Author: | JORR [ Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ulysses S. Grant |
SpiralStairs wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: SpiralStairs wrote: There should be no objection then to removing all these statues and putting them in a museum. Agree 100%. Also, the admission price of the museum should be raised to enable such. Art is for rich people. Put it behind walls where it belongs. It can be free Everything can be free. And it should be. College should be free. Divorces should be free too. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:53 am ] |
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This should be referenced when people ask why students should get degrees in history |
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| Author: | JORR [ Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:58 am ] |
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Again, there is no argument about statues. No one is against statues. The argument is about who gets one and who/what they represent. Our history and our heroes. The iconoclasts are trying to start with Year Zero. It won't be long before some guys here are asking why we shouldn't rename the months. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:58 am ] |
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I suppose if I mentioned that MLK had some problematic elements in his past, it would be shouted down. Since we are ok with erasing anyone short of a saint, I don't want to hear howling in the latin community the next time a developer wants to put up a building that blocks a mural. |
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| Author: | SpiralStairs [ Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:11 am ] |
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: SpiralStairs wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: SpiralStairs wrote: There should be no objection then to removing all these statues and putting them in a museum. Agree 100%. Also, the admission price of the museum should be raised to enable such. Art is for rich people. Put it behind walls where it belongs. It can be free Everything can be free. And it should be. College should be free. Divorces should be free too. That would be cool. |
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| Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ulysses S. Grant |
They want us to remember slavery, but to tear down and forget about the people who had the foresight, courage and determination to end it. When this is the case, it's pretty clear what the objections of the woke left is, and that their motivates are revenge and power. Ripping down every statue of a white guy regardless of what he stood for is a pretty clear indication of what this social justice movement is about. |
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| Author: | One Post [ Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ulysses S. Grant |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Leave his statue alone. But if you want to replace someone on currency, why not put Harriet Tubman on the fifty dollar bill? I will not accept nor carry a fifty. Fifties are frogs. They are bad luck. Grant died broke. Why the fuck would I want him in my pocket? If you happen to accidentally get a fifty feel free to send it to me. I consider fifty dollar bills that arrive in the mail to be good luck. |
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| Author: | Hussra [ Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ulysses S. Grant |
Grant might've been broke-ass when he croaked, but he left his family well taken care of, thanks to the success of his memoirs. Grant's widow receiving a $200,000 (1886, $7mil today) royalty check 6 months after Grant passed. She'd more than double that in royalties from her husband's memoirs before her death 20 years later. |
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| Author: | tommy [ Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:08 am ] |
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good dolphin wrote: This should be referenced when people ask why students should get degrees in history I wish I could have made this point as succinctly as you did. (good dolphin is actually my mult, which I guess is the worst-kept secret on the board) |
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| Author: | KDdidit [ Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ulysses S. Grant |
I'd be surprised if Chicago actually does anything about most of these statues, I just don't think there a sufficient wokeness quotient to most city residents. The Haymarket Riot police one is interesting though. |
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| Author: | enigma [ Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ulysses S. Grant |
Over weekend I saw a documentary about Grant. Mentioned how he aggressively went after the KKK and eradicated them for the most part until they rose again in later years. These commentators actually called him the first civil rights president. However some others of Grant's time, who disagreed with sending in federal troops to the south, called him a dictator. |
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| Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ulysses S. Grant |
KDdidit wrote: I'd be surprised if Chicago actually does anything about most of these statues, I just don't think there a sufficient wokeness quotient to most city residents. The Haymarket Riot police one is interesting though. The Columbus statues are already gone. And I doubt more than 10 percent know what Haymarket was. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ulysses S. Grant |
wait just one fucking second: Billy Ocasio is on the committee judging other people...a person so flawed in his personal and public life, that he left elected office one step ahead of... Fuck me sideways Cindy Santos? from a family so deep in holding government jobs while also being paid as an elected official that there is not a number high enough to describe the dipping so we just call it double dipping? And I promise you this dingleberry of a mayor put her on the commission for the same mistaken reason she continued to win elections in growing latino diststrict. Despite her highlighting a name that most would mistake as latino it is greek and she is as white as the snow that fell on the city this week. These are just the scoundrels I know off the top of my head. I can only imagine what all these notable UIC intellectuals have going on in their backgrounds. |
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ulysses S. Grant |
Remove all statues from public spaces and never spend a dime of taxpayer money on them again. Rename parks, streets, schools, and anything else named after a real person. This is the key to our utopia. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ulysses S. Grant |
I think there might be a time and a place for such discussions on statues, park names, school/building names, etc. But Ogie hit the nail on the head in the OP; Ogie Oglethorpe wrote: Great to see she has her eye on what's important Forget the violence, car jackings, businesses going under, and the pandemic. Let's go after statues! I said this on FB earlier. Shame on me for being surprised, but I am still amazed at just how tone deaf rich people and politicians have been over the last year and a half. |
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| Author: | JORR [ Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ulysses S. Grant |
good dolphin wrote: wait just one fucking second: Billy Ocasio is on the committee judging other people...a person so flawed in his personal and public life, that he left elected office one step ahead of... Fuck me sideways Cindy Santos? from a family so deep in holding government jobs while also being paid as an elected official that there is not a number high enough to describe the dipping so we just call it double dipping? These are just the scoundrels I know off the top of my head. I can only imagine what all these notable UIC intellectuals have going on in their backgrounds. Michael Knowles is correct about these idiots' opinions on Columbus and it goes for a lot of other great men who are being denigrated and erased too: "You're standing on the shoulders of giants and you think you're flying." |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ulysses S. Grant |
good dolphin wrote: wait just one fucking second: Billy Ocasio is on the committee judging other people...a person so flawed in his personal and public life, that he left elected office one step ahead of...
Fuck me sideways Cindy Santos? from a family so deep in holding government jobs while also being paid as an elected official that there is not a number high enough to describe the dipping so we just call it double dipping? And I promise you this dingleberry of a mayor put her on the commission for the same mistaken reason she continued to win elections in growing latino diststrict. Despite her highlighting a name that most would mistake as latino it is greek and she is as white as the snow that fell on the city this week. These are just the scoundrels I know off the top of my head. I can only imagine what all these notable UIC intellectuals have going on in their backgrounds. |
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