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Author: | good dolphin [ Mon Sep 05, 2022 11:27 am ] |
Post subject: | Happy Organized Labor Day |
Author: | Tall Midget [ Mon Sep 05, 2022 11:31 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Happy Organized Labor Day |
The decrease in unionization of the American workforce coincides with the decline of American society. Coincidence? I think not. |
Author: | JORR [ Mon Sep 05, 2022 11:35 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Happy Organized Labor Day |
Tall Midget wrote: The decrease in unionization of the American workforce coincides with the decline of American society. Coincidence? I think not. No doubt. And it also coincides with the rise of fake "unions" of government workers. |
Author: | NWsider4-3-3 [ Mon Sep 05, 2022 11:41 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Happy Organized Labor Day |
my union got me double time on my 7th day yesterday and 8 hours straight time when off on a holiday today. we'd like more in the union, but, the need to smoke dope seems more important than a good job. can't pass a drug test, wal-mart greeter, uber and mcdonald's jobs await you. fantastic service jobs for a service economy. guys driving uber must have 10,000 chevron shares in their portfolio. |
Author: | Seacrest [ Mon Sep 05, 2022 12:00 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Happy Organized Labor Day |
Diminishing the work of those who choose not to join unions. #SAD |
Author: | Nardi [ Mon Sep 05, 2022 12:06 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Happy Organized Labor Day |
The POWER OF ONE has worked out great. Amirite? |
Author: | NWsider4-3-3 [ Mon Sep 05, 2022 12:07 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Happy Organized Labor Day |
if capital had it it's way, we'd all work for free. no wages. people have options and people make choices. the criteria for a good paying blue-collar job could be no dope smoking. organized labor doesn't exist at wal-mart, mcdonald's or uber. organized labor blue-collar jobs vs. private sector blue-collar jobs. |
Author: | OscarTangoEcho [ Mon Sep 05, 2022 12:24 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Happy Organized Labor Day |
I'm in three of them. Only one of them does me any good |
Author: | This Ends in Antioch [ Mon Sep 05, 2022 12:27 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Happy Organized Labor Day |
OscarTangoEcho wrote: I'm in three of them. Only one of them does me any good You should form a union of people in multiple unions to standardize your treatment across the various unions to which all members belong. |
Author: | badrogue17 [ Mon Sep 05, 2022 2:29 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Happy Organized Labor Day |
NWsider4-3-3 wrote: if capital had it it's way, we'd all work for free. no wages. people have options and people make choices. the criteria for a good paying blue-collar job could be no dope smoking. organized labor doesn't exist at wal-mart, mcdonald's or uber. organized labor blue-collar jobs vs. private sector blue-collar jobs. Until its deemed " racist " to want your work force dope smoking free, that aint changing. |
Author: | Caller Bob [ Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:16 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Happy Organized Labor Day |
good dolphin wrote: Like three of these things are actually true |
Author: | Nardi [ Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:23 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Happy Organized Labor Day |
Caller Bob wrote: good dolphin wrote: Like three of these things are actually true Bob thinks the remote always came with the TV. |
Author: | Hussra [ Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:25 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Happy Organized Labor Day |
Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Mon Sep 05, 2022 5:11 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Happy Organized Labor Day |
Nardi wrote: Bob thinks Well, he tries to anyway.
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Author: | SuperNintendoHjalmarsson [ Tue Sep 06, 2022 10:45 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Happy Organized Labor Day |
unions shouldve fought for a 3 day weekend. thanks for nothing. |
Author: | Brick [ Tue Sep 06, 2022 10:47 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Happy Organized Labor Day |
Hallmark holiday. |
Author: | good dolphin [ Tue Sep 06, 2022 11:27 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Happy Organized Labor Day |
Brick wrote: Hallmark holiday. May Day is for the hard core, but its much nicer to bookend summer with Memorial and Labor days |
Author: | SpiralStairs [ Tue Sep 06, 2022 11:41 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Happy Organized Labor Day |
NWsider4-3-3 wrote: if capital had it it's way, we'd all work for free. no wages.. We're a family here. Okay bud? |
Author: | denisdman [ Tue Sep 06, 2022 11:47 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Happy Organized Labor Day |
SpiralStairs wrote: NWsider4-3-3 wrote: if capital had it it's way, we'd all work for free. no wages.. We're a family here. Okay bud? Actually that is communism. If you read Ayn Rand, labor is to be paid fairly for the value it returns to capital. Work harder or improve your skill set and employers will gladly pay you more. The best example is a salesperson fully on commission. |
Author: | NWsider4-3-3 [ Tue Sep 06, 2022 12:18 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Happy Organized Labor Day |
communism is: i'll pretend to work if you pretend to pay me. i'm sure there's no correlation with the dow at 30K, american workers more productive than ever and the shrinking to apprx. 6% of america's workforce in private sector unions. in 1982, the dow was under 1,000 and we had about 18% of the workforce in private sector unions. i happen to be one of today's 6% and thankful for it. no regrets not aspiring to be a vacuum cleaner salesman on commission. corporations have also wiggled out of paying pensions by making workers fund their own pensions with 401ks/IRAs. it's quite simple. the money that used to go to labor now goes to shareholders. no secret why the dow is over 30k. labor is to be paid fairly for the value it returns to capital? ok. ups with estimated revenues of $102 billion for 2022. ups has 535k workers. each worker averages $191k in producing revenue, average pay & benefits at ups is not $191k per year. |
Author: | SpiralStairs [ Tue Sep 06, 2022 12:27 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Happy Organized Labor Day |
denisdman wrote: SpiralStairs wrote: NWsider4-3-3 wrote: if capital had it it's way, we'd all work for free. no wages.. We're a family here. Okay bud? Actually that is communism. If you read Ayn Rand, labor is to be paid fairly for the value it returns to capital. Work harder or improve your skill set and employers will gladly pay you more. The best example is a salesperson fully on commission. Why would a company ever put caps on commissions then? |
Author: | Zippy-The-Pinhead [ Tue Sep 06, 2022 3:11 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Happy Organized Labor Day |
Seventy-one percent of Americans approve of labor unions, Gallup reported last week. The number has steadily risen since a low-water mark of 48 percent in 2009, and now sits at its highest point since 1965. (It was 68 percent last year, and 64 percent before the pandemic.) (The caveat: Union membership, in both raw numbers and as a percentage of the workforce, has steadily declined. And Gallup found that 58 percent of nonunion workers say they are “not interested at all” in joining one, while just 1 in 10 are “very interested.”) |
Author: | denisdman [ Tue Sep 06, 2022 3:38 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Happy Organized Labor Day |
SpiralStairs wrote: denisdman wrote: SpiralStairs wrote: NWsider4-3-3 wrote: if capital had it it's way, we'd all work for free. no wages.. We're a family here. Okay bud? Actually that is communism. If you read Ayn Rand, labor is to be paid fairly for the value it returns to capital. Work harder or improve your skill set and employers will gladly pay you more. The best example is a salesperson fully on commission. Why would a company ever put caps on commissions then? They are dumb and want their salespeople to stop selling, I guess. |
Author: | denisdman [ Tue Sep 06, 2022 3:47 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Happy Organized Labor Day |
NWsider4-3-3 wrote: communism is: i'll pretend to work if you pretend to pay me. i'm sure there's no correlation with the dow at 30K, american workers more productive than ever and the shrinking to apprx. 6% of america's workforce in private sector unions. in 1982, the dow was under 1,000 and we had about 18% of the workforce in private sector unions. i happen to be one of today's 6% and thankful for it. no regrets not aspiring to be a vacuum cleaner salesman on commission. corporations have also wiggled out of paying pensions by making workers fund their own pensions with 401ks/IRAs. it's quite simple. the money that used to go to labor now goes to shareholders. no secret why the dow is over 30k. labor is to be paid fairly for the value it returns to capital? ok. ups with estimated revenues of $102 billion for 2022. ups has 535k workers. each worker averages $191k in producing revenue, average pay & benefits at ups is not $191k per year. You have a few good points in there. Real wages have generally been stagnant despite longer term productivity gains. The share of income going to companies has been the highest in history. American companies have been incredibly efficient in wringing out costs and optimizing their businesses. Income inequality remains a major issue. But there is a lot to be thankful in our system despite its flaws. We generally have lower unemployment than our social democratic first world peers. Our per capita GDP is much higher than them. And for all the concern about the shrinking middle class, it is not because of people moving down, but rather we have the largest percentage moving up into the upper middle class. I have posted those detailed stats before. So I ask you, which country would you rather trade positions with? It must be done in whole. What makes us great also creates liabilities like a larger percentage of people in poverty. You want Germany? Sweden? China? Japan? |
Author: | SpiralStairs [ Tue Sep 06, 2022 4:10 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Happy Organized Labor Day |
Which country is Hawaii? |
Author: | NWsider4-3-3 [ Wed Sep 07, 2022 12:24 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Happy Organized Labor Day |
denisdman wrote: NWsider4-3-3 wrote: communism is: i'll pretend to work if you pretend to pay me. i'm sure there's no correlation with the dow at 30K, american workers more productive than ever and the shrinking to apprx. 6% of america's workforce in private sector unions. in 1982, the dow was under 1,000 and we had about 18% of the workforce in private sector unions. i happen to be one of today's 6% and thankful for it. no regrets not aspiring to be a vacuum cleaner salesman on commission. corporations have also wiggled out of paying pensions by making workers fund their own pensions with 401ks/IRAs. it's quite simple. the money that used to go to labor now goes to shareholders. no secret why the dow is over 30k. labor is to be paid fairly for the value it returns to capital? ok. ups with estimated revenues of $102 billion for 2022. ups has 535k workers. each worker averages $191k in producing revenue, average pay & benefits at ups is not $191k per year. You have a few good points in there. Real wages have generally been stagnant despite longer term productivity gains. The share of income going to companies has been the highest in history. American companies have been incredibly efficient in wringing out costs and optimizing their businesses. Income inequality remains a major issue. But there is a lot to be thankful in our system despite its flaws. We generally have lower unemployment than our social democratic first world peers. Our per capita GDP is much higher than them. And for all the concern about the shrinking middle class, it is not because of people moving down, but rather we have the largest percentage moving up into the upper middle class. I have posted those detailed stats before. So I ask you, which country would you rather trade positions with? It must be done in whole. What makes us great also creates liabilities like a larger percentage of people in poverty. You want Germany? Sweden? China? Japan? i don't believe we are too far off in thought. yes, i made good points that most could make. it's obvious what has occurred in the usa over the last 55 or so years. the pendulum has swung too far towards capital/away from unions and income inequality is a nasty result. we've only disagreed on trump's tariffs. i'm not for a closed or mercantilistic economy. the tariffs were/are a temporary tool. a necessary tool. as you mentioned above: Quote: American companies have been incredibly efficient in wringing out costs and optimizing their businesses. yes. very true. china also knows this and refuses to be left to it's own devices in developing tech for it's industries by spending money through trial and error to optimize and increase margins. they prefer to steal, to extort, to pressure americans companies who seek the chinese market for export/commerce and/or chinese cheap labor. besides the dumping of junk and resources,china's behavior towards taiwan, the phillipines and vietnam, it's treatment of non-han chinese and chinese muslims...covid...etc....etc. tariffs, at the very least, opened their eyes and they signed a 1st phase agreement, only to ignore their signatory obligations by waiting out trump. they waited him out and appear to be on the verge of winning. very disheartening, but biden is under intense pressure from the establishment to remove all those tariffs...as the chinese grease their pockets and our government turns it's head the other way from nefarious chinese behavior. |
Author: | good dolphin [ Wed Sep 07, 2022 8:05 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Happy Organized Labor Day |
SpiralStairs wrote: Which country is Hawaii? Hawaii Independence |
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