"I never imagined being presented with a bill that could require candidates for president of the greatest and most powerful nation on earth to submit their 'early baptism or circumcision certificates' ... This is a bridge too far," she said..

circumcision certificates' ...

Denied.
You have to provide cirt of birth to get a drivers license or to get government help why not for public office.
I am not saying The pres is from Kenya or Indonesia but why not just present the thing and be done with it. He has been back there at least 3 times during his term, Christmas. All this does is make it easier for people to have doubts about him, we know less about his background than any previous person holding that office. His presidential library is going to be one empty building when it is built, let him put it in Hawaii.

Denied.
You have to provide cirt of birth to get a drivers license or to get government help why not for public office.

Then what if he shows his drivers license?

Jesus, let's get over the whole Birth Certificate thing already. Guy's been president over two years, and no matter what he's gonna finish out the term, so if you don't like the guy, find someone to run against him instead of tryin to go around a pigs ass for a pork sandwich.

What if you found out today that Obama was not born in the US. Would that change your opinion?

It seems to me like the common held belief amongst birthers is that if it turns out that he wasn't born here, there would be a special election, or time would turn back to 2008 or some shit like that. The fact is that he would have to resign, and we'd be stuck with Joe Biden.

we'd be stuck with Joe Biden.

What if you found out today that Obama was not born in the US. Would that change your opinion?

What if we found out that Hillary was a space alien and that Boehner was a member of the Bilderberg Group??
Then what man?

Jesus, let's get over the whole Birth Certificate thing already. Guy's been president over two years, and no matter what he's gonna finish out the term, so if you don't like the guy, find someone to run against him instead of tryin to go around a pigs ass for a pork sandwich.

But in all seriousness, if you found out today that Obama wasn't born in the US, you would still write:

Why am I not surprised that chaspoop is a birther? The birth certificate is there for those who want to see it. If he really wasn't born here, wouldn't Newt Gingrich, John McCain, or another big shooter from the GOP have made an issue of this during the campaign? It seems like a good strategy on Obama's part, to keep letting lunatics like Palin, Trump, and now Charlie Sheen scream about nonsense like this.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/bi ... ficate.asp

Read everything I say, I am in no way a birther. You really need to go back to school and refresh your reading comprehension. Remember reading is a skill.

While I have no problem with a birth certificate not being required...why would it be an issue if it were required? I'm not getting the problem. I fully believe Obama was born here...I don't really care if he wasn't. But going forward...since the law says you have to be born here...why not have to show it?

I have to prove I'm 21 (almost) every time I get a drink, because it is the law.

You started the insulting not me.
Third grader right go back to posting funny pictures you found on the web. I got nothing against you ,sorry if my point was not clear enough for you.
Once again let me state by him not producing the document when he has had ample opportunities to do so just puts more doubt about his honesty and credentials in peoples mind. The birth cert is not that huge an issue to me as much as the holding back on the school records.

Chas, you claim to not be a birther, but your first sentence started exactly like this: I am not saying The pres is from Kenya or Indonesia BUT. You said that we don't know anything about his past, and he seems to be hiding a lot. Then you said that it is really about his school records not the birth certificate, even though being a natural born citizen of the United States is a pre-requisite to be president, and good grades, or schooling of any kind, is not. That just doesn't make sense. You seem to have a thought on the birth certificate issue, whenever the topic comes up here, so it's clearly a hot button issue for you.

How exactly did I start with the insults? What funny pictures did I post? In my post, to which you have taken offense, the only thing that I said about you was, you are a birther, which you are, based on your thoughts earlier. That wasn't me taking a personal shot at you, it was me questioning your position on an issue? Is that off limits? Then you attacked my reading comprehension, which is basically attacking my intelligence. I'm not gonna take that from anybody, especially someone who claims to have a disability when his intelligence is questioned.

In the same vein then, David Chuster, what is personally at stake for you such that you must take up the reins to combat, or, at the very least label/identify, alleged "Birthers" here with such vigor?

Does BHO sign your checks? If that is the case, I fully understand.

True it started like that but did not end that is why I asked you to read and take in the entire statement. I think the Pres likes this shit out there because it keeps most people from getting to the serious issues like his college days and what he did there. How he has never had a non government sponsored job. How he has never served a full term in any office he held. How his attendance and voting records are a joke.Now we got gas going to the $5 a gallon mark and he is refusing to release the reserves. Putting all the blame on the speculators. Yet they will not admit that the ban on drilling he imposed is partially to blame as well as his failed eco policies. I try not to get worked up because if he gets elected to a second term then there should be an uproar about voter fraud like non other. Also, sorry I took offense where there was non so I apologize.

I saw you fire the first salvo in this thread at least. Your initial thrust, while tame, still included that word, one which most here know to carry a negative connotation and which casts ad hominem aspersions at those at whom it is directed.

He questions everything about his past, including school records. He also said, and I quote, "why not just present the thing and be done with it"? We call those people birthers. I didn't make it up. If you have a better, or more acceptable term, lay it on me. How is that firing the first salvo? That is quite an exaggeration.

Regarding the "cert" , his supporters put forth what is purported to be an official certificate of birth, but many sources outside of his camp will confirm that it is indeed simply a short form of the true actual birth certificate and can be had even if you were not naturally born in the state.

If there was an ounce of doubt, why didn't Karl Rove jump all over this then? Nobody plays that game better than him. That guy is a bulldog. If there was a shred of evidence, he would not have slept until he could prove it.

If there are questions, then there are questions. You still used the term. Just because the term is used and accepted by the mainstream media, whose views are not without agenda or outside corporate direction, it isn't any less harmful or stigmatizing than any other pigeon-holing label you could give a person or group.

As for Rove? Who knows what his motivations are and whom is actually pulling his strings, but I will guarantee that he answers to someone or some group, and the identity of such gatekeeper(s) may not be the obvious answer. I don't see it as Dem vs. Repubs. I see it more as The Duped American People vs. These Assholes That Want To Fuck Us And Take Everything For Themselves At Our Expense And Without Our Overt Permission (one can look at the actions of BOTH parties and their leaders throughout recent years and see enough congruity to lump the two parties together as it pertains to this matchup). OK, now I am guilty of stigmatizing the latter group - whoops! I am not sorry, however, and I don't pretend to know Rove's motivations and I do not see his lack of action - and partisan bickering in general - as persuasive in this or any other matter - it is just a distraction from the subject at hand.

That is all there are - distractions from what is actually to be scrutinized: the docs. Throw 'em down for forensic analysis. Nothing else - actions, reactions, really matters.

If they did, by such logic the BHO side's unwillingness to initially and subsequently produce the proper formats for many of the requested items should be used as evidence against his credibility and natural born citizenship status.

Why is this still an issue, two and a half years later?

There's still people who think the moon landing was faked.
That the CIA killed Kennedy.
That the OWN channel was a good idea.

They're just silly things to believe in.