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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:04 pm ] |
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Peyton is the second most successful Qb in the family |
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:09 pm ] |
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Poor SHARK... |
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| Author: | Colonel Angus [ Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:11 pm ] |
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| Author: | Bagels [ Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:46 pm ] |
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that didn't take long... |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Sun Feb 05, 2012 11:35 pm ] |
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rogers park bryan wrote: Peyton is the second most successful Qb in the family O/U on how many times this falsehood is perpetuated on ESPN in the next three days? I'm gonna say 71.5 |
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| Author: | conns7901 [ Sun Feb 05, 2012 11:41 pm ] |
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Quote: jimrome Jim Rome
This is what I meant on @ShoSport @InsidetheNFL when I said Eli was a better big game QB than Peyton. Not a better QB, but more clutch. |
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| Author: | Phil McCracken [ Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:42 am ] |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:54 am ] |
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FavreFan wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Peyton is the second most successful Qb in the family O/U on how many times this falsehood is perpetuated on ESPN in the next three days? I'm gonna say 71.5 Its true. Peyton choked a bunch if times. Eli wins against great teams when it matters |
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| Author: | Phil McCracken [ Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:55 am ] |
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rogers park bryan wrote: FavreFan wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Peyton is the second most successful Qb in the family O/U on how many times this falsehood is perpetuated on ESPN in the next three days? I'm gonna say 71.5 Its true. Peyton choked a bunch if times. Eli wins against great teams when it matters 2 titles in NYC far greater than 1 title in Indy....FACT |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Mon Feb 06, 2012 1:12 am ] |
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rogers park bryan wrote: FavreFan wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Peyton is the second most successful Qb in the family O/U on how many times this falsehood is perpetuated on ESPN in the next three days? I'm gonna say 71.5 Its true. Peyton choked a bunch if times. Eli wins against great teams when it matters So then Trent Dilfer is more successful than Marino? |
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| Author: | Colonel Angus [ Mon Feb 06, 2012 1:49 am ] |
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FavreFan wrote: So then Trent Dilfer is more successful than Marino? In a sense, yes. Herm Edwards wrote: You-play-to-win-the-game! Overall, Dan Marino may be a bigger winner, Hall of fame career, records galore, big advertising money, an automatic job as commentator on TV, a full head of hair. But he'll never have the one thing that every player wants in football, and Trent Dilfer has that. |
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| Author: | Scorehead [ Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:54 am ] |
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Colonel Angus wrote: FavreFan wrote: So then Trent Dilfer is more successful than Marino? In a sense, yes. Herm Edwards wrote: You-play-to-win-the-game! Overall, Dan Marino may be a bigger winner, Hall of fame career, records galore, big advertising money, an automatic job as commentator on TV, a full head of hair. But he'll never have the one thing that every player wants in football, and Trent Dilfer has that. I would rather be Dan Marino than Trent Dilfer. But that's just me. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:40 am ] |
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Seriously, I was listening to B&b the other day when they were going on about how Peyton is the better QB of the two brothers. I guess I agree. An argument can be made for Peyton as the best passer ever. But it's not like one can just look at numbers and make a level comparison. All those indoor games are a huge edge. They're both Hall of Fame quarterbacks. Also, danny b. was trying to take Namath out of the Hall of Fame based on some numbers. There are huge differences in the way the game was played. Namath wasn't padding his percentages and lack of interceptions with two yard hitches in a West Coast offense. More than that though, Namath is deserving for reasons beyond his actual play on the field which, in any case, was damn good. He's an important guy in NFL history. It's not a perfect comparison obviously, but he's similar to Jackie Robinson in that his impact went way beyond how many yards he passed for or how many touchdowns he scored. He's the main reason there is one league right now. |
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| Author: | W_Z [ Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:45 am ] |
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that doesn't surprise me about bernstein but the football HOF isn't just about numbers and namath's a perfect example of that. i wasn't around during his era but my dad and his generation assures the guy was a winner and a great player when it mattered. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:55 am ] |
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W_Z wrote: that doesn't surprise me about bernstein but the football HOF isn't just about numbers and namath's a perfect example of that. i wasn't around during his era but my dad and his generation assures the guy was a winner and a great player when it mattered. Yeah, it's not like the NFL was always "America's most popular sport". Raymond Berry came out to award the trophy and they mentioned "the greatest game in NFL history". I don't know if that '58 Giants-Colts game was the greatest game in history. I don't know if it was greater than the one played last night. But it was important historically. It put pro football on the map. Namath was important in taking the game one giant step closer to the sports monolith/marketing behemoth it is today. The bidding war between the leagues over him. The guaranteed championship and the execution of it. Playing in New York and bringing quick credibility to the teams that came in the merger. Namath had a lot to do with the way the league is today. |
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:21 am ] |
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Joe Namath is in no way a Hall of Famer. He threw 47 more interceptions than touchdowns. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:28 am ] |
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Terry's Peeps wrote: Joe Namath is in no way a Hall of Famer. He threw 47 more interceptions than touchdowns. Of course, he's a Hall of Famer. He had a huge impact on the game. Let's forget that he threw those interceptions because of the way he played. He threw the ball downfield. If he played in a West Coast offense throwing three yard outs to Jerry Rice, he wouldn't have so many. Forget all of that. He deserves to be in for bigger reasons than passes completed. His Super Bowl is probably the single most important game in the history of the league. Joe Namath is largely responsible for that spectacle you watched last night. |
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:38 am ] |
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So story matters more than performance. Ok. Curt Flood belongs in the MLB Hall of Fame as well then right? |
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| Author: | 312player [ Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:41 am ] |
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namath has no business in the hall..none |
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:43 am ] |
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Shit. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Mon Feb 06, 2012 9:31 am ] |
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Terry's Peeps wrote: So story matters more than performance. Ok. Curt Flood belongs in the MLB Hall of Fame as well then right? Maybe. That isn't my call. But you'll often hear the statement that "it isn't the Hall of Very Good Players" in arguments for or against this or that guy's induction into various Halls of Fame. I would remind you that it isn't the Hall of Great Players either. It's the Hall of Fame, with "Fame" being the operative word. And I'm not sure there's ever been a player more famous than Joe Willie Namath. He's an important guy. I was a little kid when he played, but it's clear that guys who weren't cognizant of him in his time are having difficulty grasping his importance to the game and the league. That's why Terry argued with danny about it. He just, uh, eh, eh eeeee, isn't quite, uh, look, for the love of God, he simply can't articulate the argument as well as I can. |
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Mon Feb 06, 2012 9:38 am ] |
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Fair enough. I don't consider "fame" to be an important criteria. It should be for the best of the best in that sport. |
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| Author: | Big Chicagoan [ Mon Feb 06, 2012 9:44 am ] |
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Peyton Manning's Colt teams had horrible defenses that couldn't stop anyone. He was relied on to win every big game. Eli's teams have great defenses that can dominate games. The defenses were relied on to win the big games. All Eli had to do was put together a drive or two to score a few points. Peyton could put up 35 points and maybe win. Eli could put up 20 and almost certainly win. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Mon Feb 06, 2012 9:47 am ] |
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Big Chicagoan wrote: Peyton Manning's Colt teams had horrible defenses that couldn't stop anyone. He was relied on to win every big game. Eli's teams have great defenses that can dominate games. The defenses were relied on to win the big games. All Eli had to do was put together a drive or two to score a few points. Peyton could put up 35 points and maybe win. Eli could put up 20 and almost certainly win. Peyton was dominant in the wild card rounds but for the most part in the postseason he has lost to the real good teams |
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| Author: | Rod [ Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:00 am ] |
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Terry's Peeps wrote: Fair enough. I don't consider "fame" to be an important criteria. It should be for the best of the best in that sport. I guess what I'm saying is that we can argue all day long about his merits as a football player and we can certainly find many "better" quarterbacks. But there are only a handful of guys, whether they were players, executives, coaches, etc. who were more important to professional football than Namath. I understand the way bernstein approaches sports. He likes to use the statistics as if they tell the whole story. Objectivity is his god. Well, this guy clearly outperformed that guy so he's "better". But that isn't the way it really is. And bernstein isn't alone in that viewpoint. In fact, it's very popular. It's the thing that leads guys to make arguments like Dwight Evans is more deserving of the Hall of Fame than Jim Rice. If you're looking at the stat sheet that's a reasonable argument. If you lived through the time and watched their teams and understood who was who, it's preposterous. I doubt even Evans himself would make such an argument. Joe Namath has the good fortune to be good looking, to end up on a team in New York, and to play on a team that was good enough to beat the Colts in the game that made the Super Bowl. You could say that's luck. Okay. Well, if I were as fast as Darrell Green, I'd have been an NFL corner. I guess I'm unlucky. Sometimes it just is what it is. Modern statistical analysis puts little emphasis on context. But in sports context is everything. Tuffy Rhodes and Reggie Jackson both hit three homers in a game. Of course there was some luck (or circumstances beyond his control, if you prefer) involved in Reggie being in a World Series when he did it. So what? He was there and he did it. That's why I don't agree with guys who say RBI are meaningless. The men were on. Joe Carter drove them in. We know that much. Everything else is speculation. So here was a quarterback out of Alabama. He ended up in New York City. Ladies thought he was hot. He talked a lot of shit. He backed it up. The popularity of pro football grew exponentially. |
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| Author: | jimmypasta [ Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:05 am ] |
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JORR, I agree that it's not all about stats,but in that SB,Namath was "pedestrian" at best. He has lived off that one SB for 40-something years,fuck him! |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:08 am ] |
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rogers park bryan wrote: Big Chicagoan wrote: Peyton Manning's Colt teams had horrible defenses that couldn't stop anyone. He was relied on to win every big game. Eli's teams have great defenses that can dominate games. The defenses were relied on to win the big games. All Eli had to do was put together a drive or two to score a few points. Peyton could put up 35 points and maybe win. Eli could put up 20 and almost certainly win. Peyton was dominant in the wild card rounds but for the most part in the postseason he has lost to the real good teams Is there any point in Eli's career that he has not been playing with one or more elite (at the time) WR. Colts area SB contender every year Peyton is their QB. The Giants will not even be favored to win their division next year. |
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| Author: | 312player [ Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:21 am ] |
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eli does have some very good wideouts who seem to make huge catches in huge games..but peyton was a an outstanding regular season qb who wet the bed in the postseason most of the time..eli will have a better career. and the colts defense was the main reason peyton won his only ring that year..they played outstanding defense that postseason and manning threw more ints than tds that postseason |
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| Author: | Rod [ Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:28 am ] |
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jimmypasta wrote: JORR, I agree that it's not all about stats,but in that SB,Namath was "pedestrian" at best. He has lived off that one SB for 40-something years,fuck him! I'm not saying the guy wasn't lucky. Matthew Pritzker was born rich. Nobody is asking him to give back the money. I'm sure he'll live off it for more than forty years. You know how important that game was, jimmy. And he was the most important guy in it. A lot of guys have lived off a big moment, but very few of them had a moment as big as that Super Bowl. I'm trying to think of a good comparison for Namath. David Beckham maybe? Soccer guys, what do you think? |
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| Author: | 312player [ Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:29 am ] |
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namath =tebow |
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