Aren't you the guy always saying coaches don't really matter?
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| Author: | JORR [ Sat Apr 21, 2012 5:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Don Cooper! |
21 Perfect games in history. Pitching coach on two of them. |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Sat Apr 21, 2012 5:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Don Cooper! |
| Aren't you the guy always saying coaches don't really matter? |
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Sat Apr 21, 2012 5:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Don Cooper! |
I'm guessing Don Cooper drinks 21 beers tonight. |
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| Author: | JORR [ Sat Apr 21, 2012 5:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Don Cooper! |
RFDC wrote: :lol: Aren't you the guy always saying coaches don't really matter? I don't think managers matter much. I think Cooper played a big part in saving Humber's career. Whatever. 21 in history. His guys have two of them. Either he has some effect or he's a lucky SOB. |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Sat Apr 21, 2012 5:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Don Cooper! |
AJ should kick Ramon Castro in the nuts for keeping him from catching 2 perfect games. |
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| Author: | JORR [ Sat Apr 21, 2012 5:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Don Cooper! |
RFDC wrote: AJ should kick Ramon Castro in the nuts for keeping him from catching 2 perfect games. Buehrle might not have thrown his to AJ. If I remember correctly, Castro called that game differently than AJ likely would have, leaning on Buerhle's curveball much more than normal. It's a funny game. |
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| Author: | Jaw Breaker [ Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Don Cooper! |
Almost 3 for Cooper. In Beuhrle's first no-hitter, the only batter he allowed to reach base was Sammy Sosa, who he walked and then proceeded to pick off first base. Amazing. |
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| Author: | Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Don Cooper! |
Denied. No number of perfect games will make up for the number of Thursday mornings he's ruined by being a prissy, bitchy, crusty, pompous old man. |
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| Author: | Urlacher's missing neck [ Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Don Cooper! |
Douchebag wrote: I'm guessing Don Cooper drinks 21 beers tonight. I'm guessing he will drink at least 27 beers for each of the perfect games. |
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| Author: | Killer V [ Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Don Cooper! |
Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa there Chief. One good inning and one good outing? |
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Don Cooper! |
Urlacher's missing neck wrote: Douchebag wrote: I'm guessing Don Cooper drinks 21 beers tonight. I'm guessing he will drink at least 27 beers for each of the perfect games. Yeah, I screwed that up. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Sat Apr 21, 2012 11:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Don Cooper! |
Heard a stat after the game Quality starts since 2003 1 White Sox 2 Cubs |
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| Author: | JORR [ Sun Apr 22, 2012 12:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Don Cooper! |
Jaw Breaker wrote: Almost 3 for Cooper. In Beuhrle's first no-hitter, the only batter he allowed to reach base was Sammy Sosa, who he walked and then proceeded to pick off first base. Amazing. Almost 4. Zach Stewart was close last year too. |
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| Author: | Colonel Angus [ Sun Apr 22, 2012 1:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Don Cooper! |
Almost 1,000+, since every pitcher starts w/ 0 hits. |
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| Author: | walkrman5 [ Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Don Cooper! |
Did AJ catch beuhrle's perfect game? If so...maybe that's where the shoutout should go. How many catchers have caught more than one perfect game? |
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| Author: | JORR [ Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Don Cooper! |
walkrman5 wrote: Did AJ catch beuhrle's perfect game? If so...maybe that's where the shoutout should go. How many catchers have caught more than one perfect game? No, Castro caught Buehrle's. Nobody has ever caught two. I think Posada caught Wells' and Girardi caught Cone's or vice versa. |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Don Cooper! |
Kenny deserves a shoutout too for signing Humber off the scrap heap. Every team in baseball could have signed him it but only 1 pulled the trigger. |
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| Author: | JORR [ Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Don Cooper! |
Keyser Soze wrote: Kenny deserves a shoutout too for signing Humber off the scrap heap. Every team in baseball could have signed him it but only 1 pulled the trigger. After he was cut by the foremost baseball genius in Oakland. |
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| Author: | Urlacher's missing neck [ Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Don Cooper! |
Had Seattle not prematurely given up on LaHair they would have had him in the lineup yesterday and he would have had 2 hits easy. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Sun Apr 22, 2012 1:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Don Cooper! |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: [ Nobody has ever caught two. I think Posada caught Wells' and Girardi caught Cone's or vice versa. Ron Hassey wrote: Oh really?
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Sun Apr 22, 2012 1:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Don Cooper! |
I have to admit, however important pitching coaches are, Cooper is one of the better ones. I dont know why the other organizations he was with didn't add a third pitch. Pretty standard stuff for a starter And Yes Kenny deserves credit. This is a good example of why Im always a big fan of the "beaten prospect" They were a high pick for a reason. |
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| Author: | JORR [ Sun Apr 22, 2012 1:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Don Cooper! |
rogers park bryan wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: [ Nobody has ever caught two. I think Posada caught Wells' and Girardi caught Cone's or vice versa. Ron Hassey wrote: Oh really? Hassey caught two? Dennis Martinez? Who else? |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Sun Apr 22, 2012 1:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Don Cooper! |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: [ Nobody has ever caught two. I think Posada caught Wells' and Girardi caught Cone's or vice versa. Ron Hassey wrote: Oh really? Hassey caught two? Dennis Martinez? Who else? Len Barker 1981 http://busleaguesbaseball.com/2010/05/t ... -and-ruiz/ |
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| Author: | JORR [ Sun Apr 22, 2012 2:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Don Cooper! |
RFDC wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Hassey caught two? Dennis Martinez? Who else? Len Barker 1981 http://busleaguesbaseball.com/2010/05/t ... -and-ruiz/ I had no idea Hassey caught Barker's. I tried to name all 21 yesterday and I got 20 of them. Kenny Rogers was the one I missed. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Sun Apr 22, 2012 2:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Don Cooper! |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: [ Nobody has ever caught two. I think Posada caught Wells' and Girardi caught Cone's or vice versa. Ron Hassey wrote: Oh really? Hassey caught two? Dennis Martinez? Who else? |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Sun Apr 22, 2012 2:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Don Cooper! |
Looking over the list it is interesting to see the time in between these. First 2 in 1880 only 5 days apart and then not another one until 1904. Then between 1908 and 1956 it only occurs one time in 1922. There are none in the 1970s at all. Then from 1981 til now they occur somewhat regularly. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Sun Apr 22, 2012 2:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Don Cooper! |
Makes sense that they are increasing More teams. More players. Lineups are worse overall. Though the DH changes that a bit. But for the NL, for sure. |
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| Author: | Urlacher's missing neck [ Sun Apr 22, 2012 2:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Don Cooper! |
That is a trip and a half.... if Lincoln wasn't assassinated he could have been present to view the first 2 perfect games. |
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| Author: | Beardown [ Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Don Cooper! |
rogers park bryan wrote: Makes sense that they are increasing More teams. More players. Lineups are worse overall. Though the DH changes that a bit. But for the NL, for sure. Not really, though. Offense is up in general now compared to the 30s, 40s and 50s. Parks are smaller. Black players weren't allowed to play so while there are more teams now, the pool of talent is more than it was before the 1940s. Especially when you consider MLB is drawing more from Japan and Latin countries. Plus you would have thought it would have happened more when the mound was higher. I think they lowered it in the late 1960s. They did so because offense was way down. And like you said, the DH. I guarantee you that at least 10% of offensive MLB players, before the 1950s, wouldn't be in MLB if they played today I think it's just a coincidence that we've seen 4 in the last 4 years. I don't think it means anything. Very likely we could go 5 or 6 years before seeing another one. |
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| Author: | JORR [ Sun Apr 22, 2012 6:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Don Cooper! |
Beardown wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Makes sense that they are increasing More teams. More players. Lineups are worse overall. Though the DH changes that a bit. But for the NL, for sure. Not really, though. Offense is up in general now compared to the 30s, 40s and 50s. Parks are smaller. Black players weren't allowed to play so while there are more teams now, the pool of talent is more than it was before the 1940s. Especially when you consider MLB is drawing more from Japan and Latin countries. Plus you would have thought it would have happened more when the mound was higher. I think they lowered it in the late 1960s. They did so because offense was way down. And like you said, the DH. I guarantee you that at least 10% of offensive MLB players, before the 1950s, wouldn't be in MLB if they played today I think it's just a coincidence that we've seen 4 in the last 4 years. I don't think it means anything. Very likely we could go 5 or 6 years before seeing another one. I think the 30s was the greatest offensive era. |
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